TRUMP NEWS AT IT AGAIN

[wdmso]

Fox news on a full court press against the WHO in support of trumps blame game its astounding ... to watch. .... where was this interest prior to Trumps deflections and blaming the WHO

[Jim in CT]

where was the interest? so you’re saying we should have criticized the WHO before we were aware of how badly they bungled this? is it your opinion that only trump deserves criticism for all this?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

where was the interest? so you’re saying we should have criticized the WHO before we were aware of how badly they bungled this? is it your opinion that only trump deserves criticism for all this?
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Do you always blame the dog if you fart in the house. Or the dog ate my home work?

Jim your smart enought to see whats happening and why...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Do you always blame the dog if you fart in the house. Or the dog ate my home work?

Jim your smart enought to see whats happening and why...
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no i don’t blame
the dog. you’re saying the World Health Organization is as blameless as a dog? We don’t expect them to be competent and honest? a lot of countries are disappointed with the who.

i’m not saying he’s not deflecting blame. that doesn't mean the who didn’t screw up too.
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[Pete F.]

Here's Trump* on Faux on February 10th on China and WHO.

"China is very professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control....we just sent some of our best people over there, World Health Organization and a lot of them are composed of our people. They're fantastic."

Does anyone think that he was told this by people outside his cabinet and Faux? Unless you count Xi.

But, in all fairness, this was before Trump* discovered his natural ability extended to epidemiology, and then became an expert.

[Pete F.]

All he did was delay and now he’s pointing at anyone else.
Notice how the test blaming changes, his usual MO

WHO on January 23

To other countries:
It is expected that further international exportation of cases may appear in any country. Thus, all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO.

Countries are required to share information with WHO according to the IHR.

Technical advice is available here. Countries should place particular emphasis on reducing human infection, prevention of secondary transmission and international spread and contributing to the international response though multi-sectoral communication and collaboration and active participation in increasing knowledge on the virus and the disease, as well as advancing research. Countries should also follow travel advice from WHO.

And plenty more came out of WHO before the Stable Genius did something

Trump* on March 8th
They're trying to scare everybody, from meetings, cancel the meetings, close the schools — you know, destroy the country. And that's ok, as long as we can win the election. But I really believe that if they see that the Trump administration is handling this virus in a professional, competent way, I don't believe that's going to hurt us.
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[Nebe]

A classic case of scapegoating.

Trump is the leading cause of death in this country right now. (Kidding. Not kidding.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Nebe

A classic case of scapegoating.

Trump is the leading cause of death in this country right now. (Kidding. Not kidding.
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Asked why the US accounted for such a significant proportion of the global coronavirus death toll of more than 137,000, Mr Trump accused other countries of lying about their mortality rate....

A reasonable answer would be we are a country of 328 million
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Asked why the US accounted for such a significant proportion of the global coronavirus death toll of more than 137,000, Mr Trump accused other countries of lying about their mortality rate....

A reasonable answer would be we are a country of 328 million
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or he could just say...New York

[Sea Dangles]

The US has paid their fair share (more) to The Who. Currently,it seems like a bad investment. Kind of like nato. Time to recalibrate. Seems like we were not getting our bang for the buck.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The US has paid their fair share (more) to The Who. Currently,it seems like a bad investment. Kind of like nato. Time to recalibrate. Seems like we were not getting our bang for the buck.
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Ahhh and expert. Please explain.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ahhh and expert. Please explain.
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Well for one, people besides Trump (Dr Birx for one) are suggesting that both China and the WHO sat on the knowledge that there was human-to-human transmission. If a country believed that it could only be transmitted from animal-to-human, that might make that country inclined to not take the precautions it would take if they knew there was human-to-human transmission.

Trump, Birx, and others are making this claim. If they are correct, is that not valid reason to be ticked at the WHO?

And if you think they are incorrect, what are you basing that on?

We shouldn't be making false accusations against the WHO. But if that's a true accusation, then the WHO screwed the planet bigtime.

[Pete F.]

The WHO has no judicial or enforcement powers.
Members of the UN that choose to be members may join and it is assumed that they will be truthful for the benefit of all humanity.
Sort of like the World Court where some nations get involved and others do not and claim that it has no jurisdiction over them.

But the question that needs to be asked is why this administration did not fill it's seat on the Executive Board of WHO, it has been empty since 2018 and is a three year term.

Typical of this administration to not take any effort to control, but make every effort to blame.

Sounds like another "Nobody told me" is coming

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Well for one, people besides Trump (Dr Birx for one) are suggesting that both China and the WHO sat on the knowledge that there was human-to-human transmission. If a country believed that it could only be transmitted from animal-to-human, that might make that country inclined to not take the precautions it would take if they knew there was human-to-human transmission.

Trump, Birx, and others are making this claim. If they are correct, is that not valid reason to be ticked at the WHO?

And if you think they are incorrect, what are you basing that on?

We shouldn't be making false accusations against the WHO. But if that's a true accusation, then the WHO screwed the planet bigtime.

The WHO doesn't possess a crystal ball.
They never sat on or with held information to not upset China.. thats a Fox news spin

They give guidance and direction based on what they Know . Not what they think they know.. Countries around the world do not solely depend on The WHOs direction, this includes the US. And they never have.

The WHO
has no authority over any territory...


But this is the latest defense form Trump his supporters. Seeing his video only worked on his supporters
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The WHO doesn't possess a crystal ball.
They never sat on or with held information to not upset China.. thats a Fox news spin

They give guidance and direction based on what they Know . Not what they think they know.. Countries around the world do not solely depend on The WHOs direction, this includes the US. And they never have.

The WHO
has no authority over any territory...


But this is the latest defense form Trump his supporters. Seeing his video only worked on his supporters
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'The WHO doesn't possess a crystal ball.'

Who said they did? The WHO said early on, that it could only be transmitted animal-to-human. Obviously we know that's not true. The WHO was catastrophically wrong.

You are desperately bending over backwards to make sure that no blame goes anywhere other than Trumps shoulders. I think it's very fair to ask Trump why he didn't do more early. It's also fair to ask the WHO when they knew it could be transmitted human-to-human.

I can happily follow the facts wherever they go. You stop in your tracks, the second the facts shift blame away from Trump. In your mind, no one else could have done anything wrong. Only Trump's errors are worth discussing.

"They never sat on or with held information to not upset China"

Prove that, please.

Dr Birx is saying that either China or the WHO had to know that it was transmitting human-to-human. On what basis do you conclude that is spin? She gets her cues from Foxnews? Can you prove that?

I agree with you that we shouldn't be making false accusations against the WHO. Here is where we disagree - if the WHO screwed up (and I don't know if they did), we should investigate that too. You don't want to talk about any screw ups that aren't Trumps.

I'd love to hear you dispute that.

"The WHO
has no authority over any territory... "

I never said they did. I said they offer advice, guidance, and conclusions, which the world relies on (in part) to make public health decisions. They were horribly wrong in this case. Can you please tell me what I said in this paragraph, which is incorrect?

[Sea Dangles]

?
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[Sea Dangles]

I could type slower.
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[Pete F.]

14 January 2020

WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

[Sea Dangles]

You it’s certainly an association worth revisiting.
It could be time to drain that swamp also
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[Jim in CT]

Let's recap.

When Trump restricted travel from China, liberals said he went way too far. Yet at the same time, he didn't go far enough.

When Trump said he had "total control" of what states do, liberals said that was crazy, that the governors have that authority, not Trump. But at the same time, they are saying that all of this is on Trump's shoulders, it's all his fault, not the fault of the governors.

Trump (and others) are now saying the WHO blew it, by not sounding the alarm when China obviously had a catastrophe on its hands. Not so, say the liberals who can't accept even a remote possibility of anyone looking bad who isn't Trump. WDMSO says the WHO was OK when they said in late January that it didn't spread easily from human to human.

Yet somehow, Trump was supposed to know better than the WHO and enact lockdowns, even though (1) the travel restrictions were too much for liberals, and (2) liberals concede he can't tell states what to do.

When you simultaneously say he did too much and yet didn't do nearly enough...and when you simultaneously say its all his fault yet he can't tell states what to do...it's time to ask some questions.

And he's also wrong for saying we don't need the WHO, even though they said in late January that it couldn't be spread easily from human to human.

TDS, in all its glory.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's recap.

When Trump restricted travel from China, liberals said he went way too far. Yet at the same time, he didn't go far enough.

When Trump said he had "total control" of what states do, liberals said that was crazy, that the governors have that authority, not Trump. But at the same time, they are saying that all of this is on Trump's shoulders, it's all his fault, not the fault of the governors.

Trump (and others) are now saying the WHO blew it, by not sounding the alarm when China obviously had a catastrophe on its hands. Not so, say the liberals who can't accept even a remote possibility of anyone looking bad who isn't Trump. WDMSO says the WHO was OK when they said in late January that it didn't spread easily from human to human.

Yet somehow, Trump was supposed to know better than the WHO and enact lockdowns, even though (1) the travel restrictions were too much for liberals, and (2) liberals concede he can't tell states what to do.

When you simultaneously say he did too much and yet didn't do nearly enough...and when you simultaneously say its all his fault yet he can't tell states what to do...it's time to ask some questions.

And he's also wrong for saying we don't need the WHO, even though they said in late January that it couldn't be spread easily from human to human.

TDS, in all its glory.

you fit right in his cult its eveyones elses fault
You've been on that kick since he got elected... you throw TDS around like its all make belive and Trumps the victim....

Its call denial . You've been played by a con man .. its a classic response of their victims .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you fit right in his cult its eveyones elses fault
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Not even close to what I said. I said it's fair to criticize him for the things he did wrong.

But you can't criticize anyone who isn't him. You just can't. Nothing bad that happens, can be anyone else's fault.

How long can you go, without lying about my stance? You can't admit the truth (I blame Trump when he deserves it,, I give him credit when he deserves it), because you cannot accept anything other than Trump=bad. I give him criticism and praise, because like everyone else on the planet, sometimes he deserves praise, sometimes he deserves criticism.

You're so enslaved by this, you can't even criticize someone else. In your mind, you equate criticizing someone else, with letting Trump off the hook. For some reason, the thought that both Trump AND someone else messed up, is beyond your grasp.

Try making that wrong. Read your posts, and tell me I'm wrong.

As to the labs...how many labs are there that study coronaviruses? Not many. But there's one in Wuhan, very close to where China says this originated. That's a coincidence? Maybe.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not even close to what I said. I said it's fair to criticize him for the things he did wrong.

But you can't criticize anyone who isn't him. You just can't. Nothing bad that happens, can be anyone else's fault.

How long can you go, without lying about my stance? You can't admit the truth (I blame Trump when he deserves it,, I give him credit when he deserves it), because you cannot accept anything other than Trump=bad. I give him criticism and praise, because like everyone else on the planet, sometimes he deserves praise, sometimes he deserves criticism.

You're so enslaved by this, you can't even criticize someone else. In your mind, you equate criticizing someone else, with letting Trump off the hook. For some reason, the thought that both Trump AND someone else messed up, is beyond your grasp.

Try making that wrong. Read your posts, and tell me I'm wrong.

As to the labs...how many labs are there that study coronaviruses? Not many. But there's one in Wuhan, very close to where China says this originated. That's a coincidence? Maybe.

China is not my President the WHO is not my CDC , lack of direct criticism of them( which has merit that most can separate what they didn't do and what we the USA didn't do)

Yet the only relevant criticisms you want to hear is about china and WHO , anything attempting to ease the case against Trump ( that's how I read your posts and responses )

I Criticize my President when he act in a manner that deserves criticism.... which I'll say it again it's not imaginary..and a direct response to his words and actions

You don't deserve praise for doing what your suppose to do... but Trump demands praise and accolades. 1st before he does his job that's a poor leader that a poor trait for anyone

I dont envy Trump but he thought being POTUS was easy ,, just un do anything With Obamas name on it , get praised go to a rally get cheered , play golf or spend more time in Fla than DC ... ( That's changed ) . Now it's real and his leadership is front and center.. and people are taking note ..

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

China is not my President the WHO is not my CDC , lack of direct criticism of them( which has merit that most can separate what they didn't do and what we the USA didn't do)

Yet the only relevant criticisms you want to hear is about china and WHO , anything attempting to ease the case against Trump ( that's how I read your posts and responses )

I Criticize my President when he act in a manner that deserves criticism.... which I'll say it again it's not imaginary..and a direct response to his words and actions

You don't deserve praise for doing what your suppose to do... but Trump demands praise and accolades. 1st before he does his job that's a poor leader that a poor trait for anyone

I dont envy Trump but he thought being POTUS was easy ,, just un do anything With Obamas name on it , get praised go to a rally get cheered , play golf or spend more time in Fla than DC ... ( That's changed ) . Now it's real and his leadership is front and center.. and people are taking note ..

"the WHO is not my CDC '

So if you don't think we're supposed to be giving consideration to recommendations from the WHO, why do they exist? Why should we give them money, if you're saying they have zero influence in our public health decisions?

"Yet the only relevant criticisms you want to hear is about china and WHO '

Every single time you characterize my positions, you lie. Every single time. I have criticized Trumps handling of this many, many times. He doesn't let the experts talk, he's attacking the press which does zero good, and he was obviously wrong when he downplayed things early on.

Where you and I disagree, is on this point - it's also fair to say that many others, including those whose opinions we rely on, were similarly wrong. I can admit that. You cannot. You are physically incapable of saying anyone else was wrong, and for damned sure you would never say that Trump was wrong because he listened to "experts" who were wrong.

Fauci said early on it was no big deal, as did the WHO. SO Trump is supposed to ignore them, because he's supposed to have a crystal ball?

Bill Diblasio said in late February that it was safe to live normally. And if he was the nominee, you'd refuse to criticize that statement. You can only criticize Trump.

You constantly lie about my positions, because you can't debate me honestly, because I have facts and common sense on my side. There's no other to mischaracterize my positions every single time. You don't know how to respond to accuracy, honesty, and fairness, because in the era of Trump, it doesn't exist on your side.

So you act like I said something that I never came close to saying.

[wdmso]

Now it came from a chinese lab foxes show The 5 pushing it as truth

U.S. intel community examining whether coronavirus emerged accidentally from a Chinese lab


US military chief: ‘Weight of evidence’ that Covid-19 did not originate in a lab

WOW. you cant make this Stuff up , whats next or who is next ... ? everything out of this administration is some one elses fault... they're the boy who cried wolf .
and the day the wolf is legit none will believe it
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[Pete F.]

The WHO never said there’s no evidence
They said they would expect that there is
Only an illiterate person could gleam that it was not transmissible human to human from their briefings
That person is Trump*
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Only an illiterate person could gleam that

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never disappointing

gleaming literacy

[scottw]

this is classic.....

New Jersey governor Phil Murphy said he “wasn’t thinking of the Bill of Rights” while implementing social-distancing measures — writing off any constitutional considerations as being “above his pay grade.”

Murphy made the comments during a Fox News interview with Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night, in response to Carlson questioning the constitutionality of his executive order. “That’s above my pay grade, Tucker,” Murphy responded. “I wasn’t thinking of the Bill of Rights when we did this. . . . We went to the scientists who said people have to stay away from each other.”

and

A group of sheriffs announced they will not enforce some of Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's executive orders on the same day thousands rallied against state-mandated shelter-in-place orders outside the state Capitol in Lansing.

Sheriffs Mike Borkovich, Ted Schendel, Ken Falk, and Kim Cole of Michigan's 101st District released a press statement Wednesday afternoon detailing what they said was their decision to place their oath to the Constitution above Whitmer's wishes.



I heard she's on the list for biden veeps

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

never disappointing

gleaming literacy

Glad to see you’re following your playbook

Perhaps you could help Trump* with his spelling and grammar

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Glad to see you’re following your playbook



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page 1 of the playbook....

"if you are going to attack someone as illiterate...try not to look like an illiterate fool"