A "moderate" Democrat who left the party and why

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So who won the popular vote? Liberals move to the cities, Cons. move to the country. If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres?

"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year.

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.So you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting? how about Steve Bannon?

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.No, it was the very next day. She did get some well deserved criticism for her comment. She said that she should not have said "half".

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.Great places to be. Driving the economy, centers of culture, great restaurants (you should try New Haven - fantastic rest. even though you hate it) Most of the great universities are in/near those cities. Look at where the economy is best in a lot of those Red states. In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth and vitality.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?

That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.

"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerk, or a liar, or that she attacked her husband's victims, or anything bad about her. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?

I grew up in West Haven, lived there from birth until age 25, I know all about New Haven. I saw firsthand what 40 years of unchecked liberalism did to the unfortunate people stuck there. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years ago, of course you are entitled to that opinion.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New England. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerkI don't think she is a jerk. YOu can dislike someone's policies but not agreeing with someone's policies doesn't make them a jerk., or a liarcompared to Pres Trump she is like a saint., or that she attacked her husband's victimssure, based on what her husband told her., or anything bad about her. There is certainly things "bad" with her but I would say she is a better person than Pres. Trump. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?[COLOR="red"]sure cities are where the poor live. So they can be near the bus lines, the hospitals, the jobs, the social services, etc. So you then equate that since the poor live in cities that by and large are liberal, it is the liberal policies that make them poor[COLOR]. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years agoNH has always had the same problems it has today. poor people being one of them. , of course you are entitled to that opinion.And West Haven doesn't have problems? On the verge of bancruptcy for years. It has to do a loss of manufacturing jobs.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New Englandno, but for NC it is where the liberals live.. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth. It is the economic driver of NC. Sure other areas have growth but just as many counties elsewhere that vote R have problems. Look at the states that depend on oil. The all vote R but are having big economic problems also.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?

I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront

"I don't think she is a jerk"

Proving my point, sort of...

"not agreeing with someone's policies doesn't make them a jerk"

Do you really think I say she's a terrible person, just because of her policies? Again, I don't know how you can not know this...but I say she's a jerk because she enabled her husband's predation, she lied to protect him (said the GOP was framing him), and attacked his victims. She lied God knows how many times about the email thing. (did I wipe my server? You mean, like, with a cloth? HA HA HA, Mrs Clinton, my stomach hurts from laughing). She never, ever stops bashing everyone on my side., It's never about the merits of the issue (because her positions have almost no merit), all she can do is accuse conservatives of various kinds of hate. You're OK with that.

"she attacked her husband's victims...sure, based on what her husband told her"

Right, right. And at that point, it was reasonable to assume that he was telling the truth about all those accusations made against him. Paul, after he got impeached and dis-barred (after he admitted his lying and perversions), did she apologize for lying to protect him? Did she apologize for attacking his victims on national TV?

"you then equate that since the poor live in cities that by and large are liberal, it is the liberal policies that make them poor"

Damn right. Because it's the liberal policies that (1) make it as easy as possible for people who don't want to work, to live in cities, and (2) makes it as hard as possible, for people who do want to work, to live in cities. A nice side effect for liberals is you create a permanent underclass of poor people who, thanks to liberalism, have been robbed of work ethic and drive, so they are addicted to welfare, and will always vote for whoever promises them the most cash. Thus, they created a nice, reliable voting bloc. Who cares that they had to enslave these people, and cripple them for life, to accomplish that?

"New Haven has always had the same problems it has today"

The problems are very much worse now. Way, way, way more black fatherlessness, which has led to all sorts of problems. You deny that?

"And West Haven doesn't have problems?"

It sure does! I watched it morph from a great small town, into an uninhabitable, third world sh*thole. And guess which party has dominated West Haven politics???? Any guesses?

"It has to do a loss of manufacturing jobs."

That's part of it, sure. It also has to do with building an un-supportable amount of Section 8 housing. Again, liberal policies that attract those that take from the system, and make it brutally hard for those that want to work. It turns out that making a place as lucrative as possible for welfare recipients, and as expensive as possible for workers, is short-sighted and stupid.

Paul, look at the states that young people are moving to for economic opportunity. North Carolina. Tennessee. Georgia.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront

I gotta tell you Paul, that was such a well-thought out, and reasonable article. Consider this pearl of wisdom...

"But anarchists and anti-fascists, who often make up a small but disproportionately attention-getting portion of protesters, defend the mayhem they create as a necessary response to an emergency."

So according to the maniac who wrote this crap, the conservative speaker is the fascist, NOT the mob that wants to prevent him from exercising his right to free speech. The mob are the anti-fascists! So their anarchy is justified, supporting a noble cause.

Here's an idea? If you don't like Milo what's-his-face, you can engage him and tell him why, or you can ignore him.

Earth to liberals...the Bill Of Rights ain't easy. Like it or not, the freedom of the press means Rachael Maddow can go on the air and say things I find deeply offensive. Like it or not, the right to assembly means that the Klan can hold a peaceful rally. And like it or not, the right to free speech means that liberals will occasionally have to deal with the fact that some people can say things that they don't happen to like.

From your article, the people who lit fires and smashed buildings in order to prevent an opposing point of view from being discussed, THEY are the anti-fascists.

Mirriam-Webster defines fascism, in part, as "forcible suppression of opposition". And the NYT thinks the rioters are the OPPOSITE of that. So according to the NYT, the rioters are trying to ensure that the opposition can speak? WOW.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

2017: the year in which the Democratic party finally had a total psychotic breakdown.