so is it my body, my choice, or not?

[Jim in CT]

college student gets two doses of vaccine, had to get hospitalized after the second dose. Her doctor told her not to get the booster. Her college expelled her.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6305736494112#sp=show-clips

[wdmso]

Just like the women who can’t an abortion in certain states She like them can go to school some where else in another state that doesn’t required a booster .. that was easy
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Just like the women who can’t an abortion in certain states She like them can go to school some where else in another state that doesn’t required a booster .. that was easy
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it was easy, because you completely dodged the issue. you didn’t go anywhere near it.

On abortion , liberals say women have bodily autonomy. On vaccines,,liberals say women can be forced to inject chemicals into their body if they want to stay in school.

what’s the principle you stand by, exactly?

my principle is women can choose whatever they want,, as long as that choice does t harm anyone else, and that seems reasonable to me. you think that’s bonkers. fine

No one has any clue what the liberal principles are,,because you flip flop 180 degrees constantly.

Women can choose to kill a baby, but they can’t choose not to get vaccinated if their doctors advise against it. that sounds very totalitarian to me.
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[Pete F.]

Those totalitarian private schools have the right to conduct business as they see fit, unless you’re in a Republican totalitarian state where the government claims they have the right to dictate private business
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Those totalitarian private schools have the right to conduct business as they see fit, unless you’re in a Republican totalitarian state where the government claims they have the right to dictate private business
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oh, so you say private entities can do what they want. That’s what you believe?

right, right.

Tell that to the christian baker who doesn’t want to be forced to participate in a gay wedding. Tell that to the owners of Hobby Lobby, to chick fil a when cities refuse to let them open stores because of their beliefs, etc…

It begs the question, so i’ll ask again, do you have ANY principles that you apply equally, consistently, in different situations?

No. You don’t. Not a one.

You’d say that LIBERAL private entities can do what they want. Not conservative private entities.

Bitch. Slapped.
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[nightfighter]

Grew up in right side of the aisle Republican household. But, my mother volunteered countless hours at the Childrens hospital. She was pro abortion rights. She saw the children having children, unable to care for them, both by lacking ability and financially. Caused a huge drain on local resources, ie. public assistance. And I understand the religious view too. So when I having grown up, into my (yikes) mid sixties now with Roe V Wade having been an accepted part of our society, I am torn by the issue becoming a political football. I do not accept that my stand of supporting a woman's right puts me in the Democratic aisle, by default. That is BS. But, if the new republican party (note no capitalization) is going to make this a line in the sand... they will have completely misjudged the outcome when the black, gray, non-white population triples in size due to this change in the laws of our land.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Grew up in right side of the aisle Republican household. But, my mother volunteered countless hours at the Childrens hospital. She was pro abortion rights. She saw the children having children, unable to care for them, both by lacking ability and financially. Caused a huge drain on local resources, ie. public assistance. And I understand the religious view too. So when I having grown up, into my (yikes) mid sixties now with Roe V Wade having been an accepted part of our society, I am torn by the issue becoming a political football. I do not accept that my stand of supporting a woman's right puts me in the Democratic aisle, by default. That is BS. But, if the new republican party (note no capitalization) is going to make this a line in the sand... they will have completely misjudged the outcome when the black, gray, non-white population triples in size due to this change in the laws of our land.

pro life people aren’t afraid of more people if color

it’s the left that uses abortion as a tool to keep their numbers in check. Planned Parenthood was founded my a famous racist named Margaret Sanger who publicly and unashamedly said abortion was important to jeep their numbers manageable.

Raise my taxes to help those kids.

And any baby that gets put up for adoption, will immediately get scooped up by a family desperate to live him/her.

and in any event, who knows if abortions will decrease if Roe is overturned. Many states will continue tonight it as today

You made a very fair and reasonable post. as a conservative, i don’t believe that being pro choice means you have to go to the left.
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[wdmso]

it’s the left that uses abortion as a tool to keep their numbers in check

Yep Jim you haven’t been radicalized…. 😂
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

it’s the left that uses abortion as a tool to keep their numbers in check

Yep Jim you haven’t been radicalized…. 😂
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i’m just repeating the words of the woman who (1) founded Planned Parenthood, and (2) is worshipped by the left.

Is it radical to say that blacks are disproportionately getting abortions?

anyway, there’s a growing list of questions you refuse to answer. i wonder why that is…
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[Jim in CT]

Margaret sanger called blacks “human weeds” whose numbers needed to be minimized so that the prettiest flowers could bloom.

Some person for liberals to honor.

read the usa today story…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5480192002/
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Margaret sanger called blacks “human weeds” whose numbers needed to be minimized so that the prettiest flowers could bloom.

Some person for liberals to honor.

read the usa today story…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5480192002/
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How do you manage to get so many things wrong?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

How do you manage to get so many things wrong?

log on, lob baseless insult, put tail
between legs, scurry off .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

log on, lob baseless insult, put tail
between legs, scurry off .
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First I don't have a tail. Second, there's so much wrong if I responded on my iPad my fingers would cramp up.

Do some homework Jim, you do realize your right-wing hit piece has links to fact check references that contradict her own opinion?

[wdmso]

Shocking more false equivalences

Margaret Sanger is strongly associated with the abortion issue today.[27][28] For much of the organization's history, however, and throughout Sanger's life, abortion was illegal in the U.S., and discussions of the issue were often censored.[29] During this period, Sanger – like other American advocates of birth control – publicly condemned abortion, arguing that it would not be needed if every woman had access to birth control.[29]

She was dead when abortion became legal
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[Pete F.]

Jim repeats every right wing trope, then Detbuch/Molyneux echoes him so they must be right, they’ve heard each other say it

In 1966, Martin Luther King Jr. made clear that he agreed that Sanger’s life’s work was anything but inhumane. In 1966, when King received Planned Parenthood’s Margaret Sanger Award in Human Rights, he praised her contributions to the black community. “There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts,” he said. “…Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision.”
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[wdmso]

Because it’s funny

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Because it’s funny

you think only men are opposed to abortion? you might need to look around more.

and i’m pretty sure the left now says men can get pregnant.

and since you presumably also don’t have a uterus, why aren’t you taking your own advice and staying silent on the issue?

as always, it’s ok when liberal
men chime in. Not acceptable when conservatives do the same thing. Because false equivalence.

Why can you offer your opinions on the subject?
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[Nebe]

Just like the Taliban invokes their beliefs on everyone they can, conservatives here feel their beliefs should rule over all people.

I’d have to imagine that many pro-lifers tune would change if their daughter was knocked up by a rapist with a different skin tone.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just like the Taliban invokes their beliefs on everyone they can, conservatives here feel their beliefs should rule over all people.

I’d have to imagine that many pro-lifers tune would change if their daughter was knocked up by a rapist with a different skin tone.
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every single criminal law, is a case of others imposing their beliefs on others. it’s not new, Nebe.

of course you go right to the most extreme, and very rare, example. not many places will disallow it in the case of rape.

the data s clear, most abortions are purely elective, performed on healthy women who had consensual
sex
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

every single criminal law, is a case of others imposing their beliefs on others. it’s not new, Nebe.

of course you go right to the most extreme, and very rare, example. not many places will disallow it in the case of rape.

the data s clear, most abortions are purely elective, performed on healthy women who had consensual
sex
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Doesn’t matter. If it’s illegal, then that rape baby is coming down the pipe. I guess it doesn’t matter once it’s born. That is when the pro-lifers stop caring
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

every single criminal law, is a case of others imposing their beliefs on others. it’s not new, Nebe.

of course you go right to the most extreme, and very rare, example. not many places will disallow it in the case of rape.

the data s clear, most abortions are purely elective, performed on healthy women who had consensual
sex
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South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster announces he will call a special session to immediately pass abortion criminalization without any exceptions.
Alabama GOP will ban abortion immediately following the Dobbs decision becoming official, with a law that does not currently contain any exceptions for rape or incest.
North Carolina GOP lawmakers will make it their main priority to pass full abortion criminalization in early 2023.
Idaho GOP openly discussing the idea of banning not only Plan B, but IUDs.
Alaska GOP rejects its own state court rulings on abortion, calls for a state constitutional convention to permanently criminalize abortion.
Kansas GOP leading a push to remove abortion protections guaranteed to Kansans by their state constitution.
Florida Sen. Lil Marco introducing federal legislation to punish private companies that provide travel benefits for women to obtain abortions in states where they are legal.
West Virginia leaving in place a 19th Century anti-abortion law that makes obtaining an abortion punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
Ohio GOP debating two trigger laws that would immediately ban abortion once Roe is overturned.
- Ohio GOP trying to reinstate a fetal heartbeat law stuck in the courts.
- Idaho passing a law authorizing civil lawsuits against abortion clinics/providers.
Arkansas GOP trigger law would make it a felony to obtain an abortion
- North Dakota GOP Gov. @KristiNoem pledges a special legislative session to pass new abortion restrictions
- Oklahoma GOP passes Texas-style abortion "Bounty Hunter" law
Missouri GOP debating bill to ban women from traveling out of state for abortions
- Louisiana GOP declaring life begins "at fertilization"
- Tennessee GOP law makes it a felony (with a $50K fine) to recieve abortion medication via mail
AZ Senate candidate calls for state bans on condoms
- TN Sen. MarshaBlackburn calls for contraception ban except for married couples
And last but not least, LeaderMcConnell floats a "possible" national abortion ban
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster announces he will call a special session to immediately pass abortion criminalization without any exceptions.
Alabama GOP will ban abortion immediately following the Dobbs decision becoming official, with a law that does not currently contain any exceptions for rape or incest.
North Carolina GOP lawmakers will make it their main priority to pass full abortion criminalization in early 2023.
Idaho GOP openly discussing the idea of banning not only Plan B, but IUDs.
Alaska GOP rejects its own state court rulings on abortion, calls for a state constitutional convention to permanently criminalize abortion.
Kansas GOP leading a push to remove abortion protections guaranteed to Kansans by their state constitution.
Florida Sen. Lil Marco introducing federal legislation to punish private companies that provide travel benefits for women to obtain abortions in states where they are legal.
West Virginia leaving in place a 19th Century anti-abortion law that makes obtaining an abortion punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
Ohio GOP debating two trigger laws that would immediately ban abortion once Roe is overturned.
- Ohio GOP trying to reinstate a fetal heartbeat law stuck in the courts.
- Idaho passing a law authorizing civil lawsuits against abortion clinics/providers.
Arkansas GOP trigger law would make it a felony to obtain an abortion
- North Dakota GOP Gov. @KristiNoem pledges a special legislative session to pass new abortion restrictions
- Oklahoma GOP passes Texas-style abortion "Bounty Hunter" law
Missouri GOP debating bill to ban women from traveling out of state for abortions
- Louisiana GOP declaring life begins "at fertilization"
- Tennessee GOP law makes it a felony (with a $50K fine) to recieve abortion medication via mail
AZ Senate candidate calls for state bans on condoms
- TN Sen. MarshaBlackburn calls for contraception ban except for married couples
And last but not least, LeaderMcConnell floats a "possible" national abortion ban
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Hyperbole all just hyperbole
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Hyperbole all just hyperbole
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but it only lasts, if people
there want it.

If a majority of people in SC want a total ban, and the constitution doesn’t prohibit it, then they SHOULD get it. That’s called “democracy.”

If they implement a total ban and no one wants it, the citizens will
elect new people. That’s how it works. That’s why it’s better if elected representatives do it in each state, rather then 9 unelected lawyers doing it for the whole country.

Your side is showing, not for the first time, the disdain it has for democracy.
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[Nebe]

And yes I am being tongue in cheek here.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And yes I am being tongue in cheek here.
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i figured! enjoy the day!
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

college student gets two doses of vaccine, had to get hospitalized after the second dose. Her doctor told her not to get the booster. Her college expelled her.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6305736494112#sp=show-clips

Actually the college denied in writing this is their policy. Might want to stop listening to so much Fox Jim.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually the college denied in writing this is their policy. Might want to stop listening to so much Fox Jim.

i listened to her.

happy mother’s day miss.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i listened to her.

happy mother’s day miss.
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On Tucker?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

On Tucker?

yes i saw it there. then i googled it, and the story had been reported on multiple outlets

hi haven’t heard of any private entities ( schools or businesses) requiring shots? his is news to you

https://thechicagothinker.com/exclus...ll-advised/amp

do women have bodily autonomy, or not?


?
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[wdmso]

Conservatives hate it when anyone points out this truth: Three of the five reportedly anti-Roe justices were named by a president who lost the popular vote by 2.9 million and were confirmed by senators representing a minority of the nation’s population.
Or that one of the vacancies was created by then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s blockade against Merrick Garland’s nomination in the final year of Barack Obama’s presidency. And then came McConnell’s reversal on the issue of letting an election happen before a justice was confirmed. He rushed Amy Coney Barrett’s nomination through in 2020 just days before the voters chose Joe Biden.

Just some facts
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