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Old 04-13-2018, 05:43 AM   #1
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this is a fascinating article chronicling the attempt to speak about free speech at an "open minded" college campus....you'd almost think it must be a Monty Python parody but these folks are the real deal and apparently proud in their....not sure what

when law students studying law at a law school state "%$CK the law"...it's hard to know where to go with that


"You wrote that I supported the president’s decision to rescind DACA. Now let me tell you something. I actually support the DREAM Act.”

There were audible gasps in the room. “This might surprise you. I think the DREAM Act is a good piece of legislation.” Someone yelled out “Gaslighting.” I continued: “Were I a member of Congress . . .” Someone interrupted me. I said, “Let me speak, please.” A number of students shouted out, “Nah.” I continued, “Were I a member of Congress, I would vote for the DREAM Act. My position is that the policy itself was not consistent with the rule of law. Which teaches a lesson.” Someone started snapping and booing. “The lesson is you can support something as a matter of policy.” Someone shouted, “What about human rights?” I continued, “but find that the law does not permit it. And then the answer is to change the law.”

A student shouted out “F*** the law.” This comment stunned me. I replied, “F*** the law? That’s a very odd thing. You are all in law school. And it is a bizarre thing to say f*** the law when you are in law school.” They all started to yell and shout over me."

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Old 04-13-2018, 07:46 AM   #2
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If you read the whole thing you would find more to the story, and what i highlighted in red shows that intolerance is not confined to one side of the dialogue. And nowhere in the story does it say that the students were studying law, only that it was put on by a chapter of the Federalist Society.
"Then the dialogue shifted to the back of the room. The African-American student I mentioned earlier said, “I don’t support this guy” but “I want to hear him speak.” The protesters tried to shame him for attending. He continued, “I want to ask him a very hard question. And we should all try to ask him very hard questions. Like about the notion of legal objectivity.” Sensing the event had taken a different direction, I said, “Let’s talk about that.” The protesters then heckled and shouted over the student asking the question. I interjected, “Let him talk, let him talk.” After the protest died down, he said, “I respect the fact that you have a right to speak and you came here. I do not support anything you are writing or your politics, but I do respect the fact that we can have a dialogue and ask some tough questions.”


At that point, the protesters left the room and, I learned, they marched to the dean’s office to complain. After they left, I took questions from the students for over an hour. I did not present any of my prepared remarks, but it didn’t matter. I spoke on originalism, textualism, the separation of powers, DACA, affirmative action, criminal procedure, and a wide range of other topics. The conversation was civil and professional. I was very proud of the students who stayed till the end. (Well, there was one Trump supporter in the room who called me a “cuck” for not being MAGA enough — I can’t win.)

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Indeed, though there were only five people at the start of the event, by the time it concluded I counted about 30. I learned that some students were either ashamed or intimidated and did not want to be seen attending the event. A number of students thanked me after the event, and explained that conservative speech is stifled on campus not by the faculty but by the students. The students swarm on anyone who does not toe the progressive line.

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If you read the whole thing
I did read the whole thing...what's your point?
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If you read the whole thing you would find more to the story, and what i highlighted in red shows that intolerance is not confined to one side of the dialogue. And nowhere in the story does it say that the students were studying law, only that it was put on by a chapter of the Federalist Society.
Be careful, Scott doesn't appreciate the use of context.
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That while the article purports to be about law students, it is about an open meeting on a University campus. While the Law College may be physically separated from other colleges, it is still part of the University and events are open to all.
That said, yes, children can be intolerant of views not accepted by their group.

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Pete, the point of the thread is that liberalism has so infected our educational system that young law students have pledged their allegiance to communism over our Constitutional rule of law.

Clearly we need to privatize schools and eliminate federal assistance for higher education.
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Campus intolerance by student body and some faculty is well documented. My son who is currently working on his doctoral thesis decided to look at institutional bias in the acceptance process of doctoral applicants. It is absolutely amazing at the data he's uncovered. He sent applications as a "fictional doctoral student" whose background included memberships in conservative groups such as Young Republicans, etc., to a whole host of institutions. After the application process was complete and acceptance was accepted or rejected he had to notify these institutions that the "applicant" was just for research purposes. Some of these boards were livid that they could be exposed in a published research thesis. His university and adviser have received lots of blowback from University selection committees that do not wish to be exposed as biased.

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If you read the whole thing you would find more to the story, and what i highlighted in red shows that intolerance is not confined to one side of the dialogue.
Yet the one calling MAGA and Cuck was not shouting or protesting he did not protest? He said the gut was not right enough?? So this is the same intolerance that was at the beginning of the meeting with the left?

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Campus intolerance by student body and some faculty is well documented. My son who is currently working on his doctoral thesis decided to look at institutional bias in the acceptance process of doctoral applicants. It is absolutely amazing at the data he's uncovered. He sent applications as a "fictional doctoral student" whose background included memberships in conservative groups such as Young Republicans, etc., to a whole host of institutions. After the application process was complete and acceptance was accepted or rejected he had to notify these institutions that the "applicant" was just for research purposes. Some of these boards were livid that they could be exposed in a published research thesis. His university and adviser have received lots of blowback from University selection committees that do not wish to be exposed as biased.
And I can concur having worked at a college in the Facility Department. I was told it would be ill advised to be seen as Right of center.
We could have long discussions about Education "Professionals"

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After the application process was complete and acceptance was accepted or rejected he had to notify these institutions that the "applicant" was just for research purposes. Some of these boards were livid that they could be exposed in a published research thesis. His university and adviser have received lots of blowback from University selection committees that do not wish to be exposed as biased.
So he heard that they were livid that they would be exposed as biased or where they livid that they wasted time on reviewing his application?
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Some of these boards were livid that they could be exposed in a published research thesis. His university and adviser have received lots of blowback from University selection committees that do not wish to be exposed as biased.
While you may be able to capture statically relevant data in whole, that doesn't mean the motivation of an individual school to accept or deny a submission is resolvable.

I can see why they'd be upset.
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So he heard that they were livid that they would be exposed as biased or where they livid that they wasted time on reviewing his application?
what do you think?....one application out of how many?...they're "livid" and sending threats?? THINK ...sounds like the behavior of thugs who don't like being questioned, you'd think they'd admire the quest for answers and the truth in the name of education...I'm sure if he'd sent a bunch of job applications to large companies to see if there was bias in their processes they'd applaud the effort..probably give him awards and medals if the resulting research was to their liking

this is the same crowd obsessed with hate speech and now the "speech is violence" mantra.....isn't wrongly labeling someone a white supremacist and a racist..."hate speech"? isn't that a speech violence? The very reason that they were labeling him this...they learned before running to their safe space, was exactly wrong.... if they'd prevented him from speaking, they'd still be operating under the notion that he is a racist and white supremacist ...and actually might still be clinging to that notion given their responses

for people that are so sensitive about speech and who frequently desire to closely monitor and censor it's uses by others they sure give themselves quite a bit of latitude when exercising their own

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Be careful, Scott doesn't appreciate the use of context.
your abuse of the word has really rendered it meaningless
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Pete, the point of the thread is that liberalism has so infected our educational system that young law students have pledged their allegiance to communism over our Constitutional rule of law.
my wife is in a masters program and at Mass state school, he first course was an education course...the title at the top of the syllabus that she brought home read "APPLYING MARXIST THEORY TO EDUCATION".....I said to her, "this is a joke right"...she said, "no, this person is the real deal", described her as bat#^&#^&#^&#^& nutty...I went on the school website and reviewed the courses, nothing in any of the course descriptions in this regard. After that I'd look at the material that would arrive from the NEA and other educational organizations and ask her about the instructors. Every topic, instruction, suggestion involved turning your students into little social justice warriors and courses are oriented the same way. Every assignment should include something related to racism, global warming, sexism and on...with opinions on the current state of each and suggestions as to how to relate and incorporate your teaching to these issues in a daily basis. It's pretty remarkable, you pay a lot of money to listen to these moonbats and there is no avoiding it as the degree is required for her position....

yes, I would call it an infection

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I've asked before, when was the last time a liberal speaker tried to speak at a college, and was rushed off the stage by security, because a conservative mob made it unsafe for the speaker?

All that tolerance and inclusiveness. At UCONN, when Ben SHapiro came recently, the school offered mental counseling services for students who were so offended at the thought of the existence of someone not exactly like them, that they needed professional help to cope. These kids are totally ready to work in corporate America and to deal with the fact that sometimes life kicks you in the stomach.
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All that tolerance and inclusiveness.
I'd call it "predictable responses from trained laboratory animals"

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Not a college but things close to that have happened in VT
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I've asked before, when was the last time a liberal speaker tried to speak at a college, and was rushed off the stage by security, because a conservative mob made it unsafe for the speaker?

All that tolerance and inclusiveness. At UCONN, when Ben SHapiro came recently, the school offered mental counseling services for students who were so offended at the thought of the existence of someone not exactly like them, that they needed professional help to cope. These kids are totally ready to work in corporate America and to deal with the fact that sometimes life kicks you in the stomach.
Yeh - gonna be a real crappy rest of our lives with this up and coming generation.

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Because there is a solid correlation between the two ??

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More of that open mindedness...

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Google the name Randa Jarrar to get the latest example of liberal empathy.
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