Gun Legislation

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

When the NRA and big money owns our policies it doesn’t even matter that over 90% of ALL Americans want the universal background check legislation passed.

Original, fundamental rights (and the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right -- see McDonald v Chicago) are not subject to the ignorant whims of public opinion. The "majority" does not get to impose its disdain of certain rights on anyone, simply because they are the majority.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Original, fundamental rights (and the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right -- see McDonald v Chicago) are not subject to the ignorant whims of public opinion. The "majority" does not get to impose its disdain of certain rights on anyone, simply because they are the majority.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)

I’m certain country wide universal background checks and closing gun show and private sales loopholes isn’t going to impact anyone’s right to keep and bear arms.
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I’m certain country wide universal background checks and closing gun show and private sales loopholes isn’t going to impact anyone’s right to keep and bear arms.

You say that as if you feel the federal government exceeding the powers granted to it under the Constitution is no big deal.

That's the crux of the issue. You feel that the only thing that matters is that over 90% of ALL Americans want the universal background check legislation passed . . .

You feel that such a "mandate" from a majority demands the government act without regard to what the government is actually allowed to do . . . and you expect me to believe you when you say there's no threat to my rights.

You're funny!

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

You say that as if you feel the federal government exceeding the powers granted to it under the Constitution is no big deal.

That's the crux of the issue. You feel that the only thing that matters is that over 90% of ALL Americans want the universal background check legislation passed . . .

You feel that such a "mandate" from a majority demands the government act without regard to what the government is actually allowed to do . . . and you expect me to believe you when you say there's no threat to my rights.

You're funny!

Wasn’t meant to be funny, but if you are a gun owner and have already purchased and passed a background check, then my statement is true; those changes in and of themselves do NOT impact your ability to arm yourself.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wasn’t meant to be funny, but if you are a gun owner and have already purchased and passed a background check, then my statement is true; those changes in and of themselves do NOT impact your ability to arm yourself.
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It doesn't matter, RR's mission is to spam the planet with cut and paste to throw sand in your eyes. It's all he ever does

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by spence

It doesn't matter, RR's mission is to spam the planet with cut and paste to throw sand in your eyes. It's all he ever does

And all you ever do is pontificate and spew until somebody challenges you and then to resort to personal attacks, red herrings and then finally, meek abandonment of the discussion . . . all mouth and no trousers.

[spence]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

And all you ever do is pontificate and spew until somebody challenges you and then to resort to personal attacks, red herrings and then finally, meek abandonment of the discussion . . . all mouth and no trousers.

I don't make personal attacks, they're just observations. As for my trousers, don't bait me into posting pics of my wardrobe, I assure you it's well appointed

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wasn’t meant to be funny, but if you are a gun owner and have already purchased and passed a background check, then my statement is true; those changes in and of themselves do NOT impact your ability to arm yourself.
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Do you believe that your personal opinion on what is and is not an impact on the right, (that you obviously have no understanding of), is the deciding principle for determining constitutionality?


I'll spare myself the laugh cramps asking you about free speech.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Do you believe that your personal opinion on what is and is not an impact on the right, (that you obviously have no understanding of), is the deciding principle for determining constitutionality?


I'll spare myself the laugh cramps asking you about free speech.

Spare me the cut and paste , tell me in your own words, how those simple changes impact your ability to purchase and arm yourself to your hearts content; you can’t of course but keep spouting the NRA taking points.
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Spare me the cut and paste , tell me in your own words, how those simple changes impact your ability to purchase and arm yourself to your hearts content; you can’t of course but keep spouting the NRA taking points.
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Any discussion of what the government should do while ignoring what the government can do is mental masturbation.

The problem with 'universal background checks' is that anti-gun people will be writing the legislation. The stated and indisputably worthwhile goal of improving the system limiting gun access for prohibited people will be hijacked because the people writing the law have a general overriding hostility for gun rights.

The other problem is that it will become a gun and owner registry, it really can't be avoided.

I would support actually prosecuting people for selling to a prohibited person and opening the NICS to private citizens. Private citizens selling a gun should be able to make a phone call, punch in the buyer's ID #'s and get an approved / denied code for the sale.


As far as cut and paste goes, what is wrong with reading original sources and actual quotes from SCOTUS etc. that state the law? Is supported argument really scorned on this site?


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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I’m certain country wide universal background checks and closing gun show and private sales loopholes isn’t going to impact anyone’s right to keep and bear arms.
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Bob, gun shows and private sales are not loopholes, you are being mislead plain and simple.

[Slipknot]

take the time to really listen with an open mind and not a snarky biased attitude and you may be enlightened because what you are supporting is lazy. Problems don't just go away by writing a law banning an object.





like he says, it is a cultural problem and if you don't think so, you are kidding yourself.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

take the time to really listen with an open mind and not a snarky biased attitude and you may be enlightened because what you are supporting is lazy. Problems don't just go away by writing a law banning an object.

I don't know anyone who thinks the problem will go away, it's a complex issue with easy access to military weapons being only one facet.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know anyone who thinks the problem will go away, it's a complex issue with easy access to military weapons being only one facet.

well if you stop calling them military weapons, you can make progress in a discussion

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

well if you stop calling them military weapons, you can make progress in a discussion

Ever the optimist!

As if duplicitousness and misrepresentation will ever be set-aside by the left, as their core foundation for "discussing" guns and gun control.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Bob, gun shows and private sales are not loopholes, you are being mislead plain and simple.

It depends on the state but there certainly is a loophole.