Charlottesville

[doc]

"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by doc

"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

Don't forget the Neo Nazis had permits. The people protesting against them didn't.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Don't forget the Neo Nazis had permits. The people protesting against them didn't.

That's that pesky 1st amendment again. they are allowed to be there, no matter how much people hate them.

[doc]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That's that pesky 1st amendment again. they are allowed to be there, no matter how much people hate them.

I don't dispute that but to use that as argument how that 'side' had a right to be there vs the 'other side' didn't by the president is a gross way to express the importance of first amendment rights when it comes to a neo Nazi march that resulted the death of an innocent woman....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by doc

"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

There were people on multiple sides to blame. there were also more than just two sides. you had two groups of a-holes that escalated this situation this weekend, Neo-nazis and ANTIFA....both groups need to share the blame for what happened this weekend.

[doc]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There were people on multiple sides to blame. there were also more than just two sides. you had two groups of a-holes that escalated this situation this weekend, Neo-nazis and ANTIFA....both groups need to share the blame for what happened this weekend.

disagree kevin. there may be a-holes and jerks all around but that is not equivalent to neo-nazis and white supremacists. we fought a war about this

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by doc

disagree kevin. there may be a-holes and jerks all around but that is not equivalent to neo-nazis and white supremacists. we fought a war about this

I never said anything about the quality of the people, I said more than one side gets to share in the blame.

ANTIFA started pushing and shoving and that's when the chit hit the fan. That woman may still be alive if people just let those asshats say there stupid BS rhetoric and moved on.

Nobody in their right mine is going to put neo nazis on a moral pedestal
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I never said anything about the quality of the people, I said more than one side gets to share in the blame.

ANTIFA started pushing and shoving and that's when the chit hit the fan. That woman may still be alive if people just let those asshats say there stupid BS rhetoric and moved on.

Nobody in their right mine is going to put neo nazis on a moral pedestal
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WoW you just blamed someone else for the cause of this women's death other than the neo Nazi driving the car ... spoken like a true trumpanzee

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

WoW you just blamed someone else for the cause of this women's death other than the neo Nazi driving the car ... spoken like a true trumpanzee

English is a second language to you isn't it??

You also can't comprehend how the whole chain of events started with a single event. A single push set everything in motion.

Just imagine how 2004 might have been if Roberts got thrown out at second.

And you must live in an alternate reality where you think I voted for, or even like him. But glad to see you get to use your new Buzzword.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by doc

"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

I addressed that. How do you know there weren't good people, who were there to peacefully protest taking down the statues? He specifically condemned the violence and bigotry, so it stands to reason that when he says there were "good people" in the crowd, he's referring to the ones that aren't violent bigots. If there are any, and maybe there weren't, in which case he was wrong.

Should he have phrased it differently? Sure. But it's not like he said "boy those white supremacists, I totally sympathize with their mission. I mean I live in New York, and if anyone has a reason to really despise blacks, it's me. In fact, let me write a big, fat check to the Klan right now". People are reacting as if that's what he said. He condemned violence and bigotry on all sides. "All sides" necessarily includes the side that the Nazis were on.

Now, I remember a long car ride when I was 8, I was in the back seat with my 12 year old brother. At one point he punched me in the head, I let out a large cry, and my dad (who was driving and stressed out) yelled "you two knock it off!!" Now, should he have yelled at my brother more than me? Sure. Did I conclude he liked what my brother did? Of course not. He used a poor choice of words.

If you want to say that Trump could have done more to single out the side that caused most of this, fine. To say he "defended" the Nazis? It's bonkers. Someone here suggested Trump is responsible for a synagogue that was vandalized. His daughter and son-in-law, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jews.

You can't have a rational conversation about Trump, with many liberals, including most of the media. You just can't. Maybe they were so embarrassed by ALL saying that the only thing not known on election night, was how lopsided Hilary's victory would be...maybe that shame and humiliation caused all of them to blow a gasket.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I addressed that. How do you know there weren't good people, who were there to peacefully protest taking down the statues?

If I went to protest the removal of a confederate statue as one of the good people Trump claims were there ..and people around me showed up with torchs and nazi flags and anti Jewish slogans . And I didn't leave.. I need to re consider my choices . just saying.

If they stayed and joined in the rally with everything happening around them they lose their good people Status