Another - you cant make this up

[RIJIMMY]

Why isnt this lady in handcuffs and being escorted out of the country?

The best line - On Thursday, the SEIU announced that it will spend $5 million on radio and television ads in Spanish attacking Whitman.

What a bizarre country we line in.

By ANDY BARR | 10/1/10 8:25 AM EDT Updated: 10/1/10 10:32 AM EDT
After dueling press conferences and numerous statements Thursday, California gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman seems no closer to being able to move past allegations that she knowingly employed an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper.

Whitman harshly condemned the story on Thursday, accusing Democrat Jerry Brown in a press conference of pushing the “lies” about her.

But immediately after Whitman finished ripping into Brown and attorney Gloria Allred for airing the accusation, Allred stepped up to the microphone at her own press conference to insist that she had “proof” that Whitman employed Nicky Diaz knowing she was in the country illegally.

Allred produced a 2003 letter from the Social Security Administration questioning whether the number Diaz had provided for her tax documentation was legitimate.

The letter, Allred showed with a giant, blown-up prop, had a handwritten note the attorney insisted belongs to Whitman’s husband instructing Diaz to check into it.

Whitman at first denied that she or her husband had seen the letter, speculating that Diaz may have hidden it from the couple.

But hours later, Whitman’s husband, Griff Harsh, released a statement admitting that “it is possible” that he saw the letter and wrote the note.

“While I honestly do not recall receiving this letter, as it was sent to me seven years ago, I can say it is possible that I would've scratched a follow up note on a letter like this, which is a request for information to make certain Nicky received her Social Security benefits and W-2 tax refund for withheld wages. Since we believed her to be legal, I would have had no reason to suspect that she would not have filled it in and done what was needed to secure her benefits,” said Harsh.

“It is important to note what this letter actually says: 'this letter makes no statement about your employee's immigration status.,” Harsh continued. “The essential fact remains the same, neither Meg nor I believed there was a problem with Nicky's legal status and I certainly don't recall ever discussing it with my wife, nor did I ever show her any letter about it. The facts of this matter are very clear: Ms. Diaz broke the law and lied to us and to the employment agency.”

Whitman has consistently stated that she fired the housekeeper as soon as she learned of Diaz’s illegal status — and she has tried at every opportunity to link Brown to the story.

Whitman’s campaign points out that Allred is a supporter of Brown and has tried to make the case that Brown has a history of pulling off stunts late in campaigns designed to discredit his Republican opponents.

Brown has not yet commented on the story, but many of his allies have begun to seize on the allegation to attack Whitman.

On Thursday, the SEIU announced that it will spend $5 million on radio and television ads in Spanish attacking Whitman.



Read more: Meg Whitman vexed by housekeeper claims - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

[PaulS]

I agree anyone who hires an illegal should be shipped out. That would solve our illegals problem.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I agree anyone who hires an illegal should be shipped out. That would solve our illegals problem.

She hired the maid through an agency, which she paid to check her citizenship. this was fraud on the housecleaners part.
No suprise you believe the maid is a "victim" instead of a criminal.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

No suprise you believe the maid is a "victim" instead of a criminal.

How did you get that from my post?

I thought your post was about Witman. As I said, if no one hired illegals, they wouldn't want to come here.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How did you get that from my post?

I thought your post was about Witman. As I said, if no one hired illegals, they wouldn't want to come here.

There is only one criminal in that article and its not Whitman.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

There is only one criminal in that article and its not Whitman.

My understanding is that she would only be in violation of a civil offense and not a criminal, certainly not worthy of handcuffs.

Considering there are 12 million or so illegal aliens in this country, you'd think a sense of priority would place a housekeeper who's here simply to improve her life pretty low on the list.

That's not to say she shouldn't be processed as an offender, but that to make an example of her doesn't make a lot of sense.

Of course, she could always be a terrorist.

-spence

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

There is only one criminal in that article and its not Whitman.

Never said otherwise. But if when the Whitman's found out there was trouble with the SS#, they followed up instead of telling the maid "to do something about this" or whatever the husband wrote on the letter she wouldn't have this issue now and if others did the same, the illegal problem would take care of itself.

Any politician who does hires illegals (Whitman, Zoe Baird), doesn't know the cost of a bread/milk or the minimum wage (L. McMahon) doesn't deserve to be elected.

[Fly Rod]

Does this mean that I have to fire the two illegals that work on my lawn?

I think that I found a loop hole, they are not mexican, they are guatemalan.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Why isnt this lady in handcuffs and being escorted out of the country?

Who would clean the house?

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

whew, theres still hope....

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

whew, theres still hope....

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

I think this is intended for those caught in the process, not for those already here, unless sufficient evidence existed to make a case...which is highly unlikely.

-spence

[Nebe]

If she's hot she should be able to stay
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[JohnnyD]

Lived in this state my whole life. Had to go up to Lynn to meet a vendor today, my first trip that far up Rt. 1A. My immediate thought, "Holy Sh#t this place is a dump."

Do you think the Boston hotels and cleaning companies have a shuttle service set up that runs regular trips between Boston and that area?

As a business owner, it's my obligation to retain documents to assure the people I hire have a legal right to work here. If I screw that up, it should be on me. However, if I do my due diligence and they turn out illegal, screw anyone who tries to put it on me.

Employers need to be held responsible but they are not the INS. Whitman allegedly obtained the proper documents from Diaz. It is up to the government to take it from there if they have any question about status.

This is one of those times that I have to say.... I completely agree with RIJIMMY.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Had to go up to Lynn to meet a vendor today, my first trip that far up Rt. 1A. My immediate thought, "Holy Sh#t this place is a dump."

Hey, Easy there Chief....don't go picking on the "Jewel of the North Shore".....Some of us have roots there

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Hey, Easy there Chief....don't go picking on the "Jewel of the North Shore".....Some of us have roots there

No offense intended... but the area I had to go to, along with the neighborhoods I passed on the way made me question the common sense of my vendor for being based in the area.

[Fly Rod]

Lynn was known for the city of sin

Lynn, Lynn the city of sin, you don't go out the way you came in.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No offense intended... but the area I had to go to, along with the neighborhoods I passed on the way made me question the common sense of my vendor for being based in the area.

Just messin around...I know the place is a bit of a Chithole...That's why I moved out.

I don't know what he's vending but....Lynn has GE and North Shore Community College, is right on the Commuter Rail, is a quick 20 minute ride into Boston, Property is cheap, Labor is cheap, More Liqour licenses and Greek Sub Shops per capita than any other town on the north shore....and a 2 am Bar Closing Time....

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Lynn was known for the city of sin

Lynn, Lynn the city of sin, you don't go out the way you came in.

Geesh, if you're gonna say it....ya gotta say it right.

Lynn Lynn, City of Sin, You never come out the way you went in..

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No offense intended... but the area I had to go to, along with the neighborhoods I passed on the way made me question the common sense of my vendor for being based in the area.

I agree

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Hey, Easy there Chief....don't go picking on the "Jewel of the North Shore".....Some of us have roots there

Could be worse, you could be from Lawrence !
Pretty pathetic how popular the Lawrence police chief is on the local news stations !

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Could be worse, you could be from Lawrence !
Pretty pathetic how popular the Lawrence police chief is on the local news stations !

He's on the news pretty much every week....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Although her motivation may have been honorable to her, the law is the law and she, just like myself and everybody else in this country, needs to abide by it.

She broke it so now she must take the consequences that come with it.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Although her motivation may have been honorable to her, the law is the law and she, just like myself and everybody else in this country, needs to abide by it.

She broke it so now she must take the consequences that come with it.

Rubber duck just fell from the ceiling...

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Although her motivation may have been honorable to her, the law is the law and she, just like myself and everybody else in this country, needs to abide by it.

She broke it so now she must take the consequences that come with it.

I don't think anyone is arguing that she shouldn't be held accountable.

The context of the thread is RIJIMMY thinking she should be immediately dragged to the border in shackles. These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

These are the consequences and this is what should happen to her if found guilty.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

These are the consequences and this is what should happen to her if found guilty.

We discussed this earlier in the thread. I don't think this part of the code is applicable to her situation. The laws appear to delineate between those trying to get over the border, those who just recently crossed the border and those who have been here some time.

Sort of like meteor, meteorite and meteoroid

-spence

[justplugit]

Amazing to me how some have so much empathy for illegal immigrants
who can come here legally if they choose, and so little empathy for the ones
who wait on line to take their turn to come legally.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

We discussed this earlier in the thread. I don't think this part of the code is applicable to her situation. The laws appear to delineate between those trying to get over the border, those who just recently crossed the border and those who have been here some time.

Sort of like meteor, meteorite and meteoroid

-spence

Are you saying there is a statute of limitations attached to this that equals the length of time it takes you to get way with it and enter the country

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

The context of the thread is RIJIMMY thinking she should be immediately dragged to the border in shackles. These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

No, I just want her arrested. But instead she is being paraded around by liberals trying to use her as a political pawn. And to top it off, as I highlighted in the initial post, latinos are now putting up 5 million for adds against Whitman! So how does that help their cause? Now wealthy people will think twice before hiring anyone of latin decent, it will BACKFIRE on them!

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

No, I just want her arrested. But instead she is being paraded around by liberals trying to use her as a political pawn.

Tis the season.

And to top it off, as I highlighted in the initial post, latinos are now putting up 5 million for adds against Whitman!

She doesn't serve their interests.

So how does that help their cause? Now wealthy people will think twice before hiring anyone of latin decent, it will BACKFIRE on them!

I doubt it, unless there's a flood of legal workers out to perform low skilled labor people will still hire who they can get regardless.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

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I doubt it, unless there's a flood of legal workers out to perform low skilled labor people will still hire who they can get regardless.

-spence[/QUOTE]

At $27 an hour, would you rather flip burgers?