VZ contract

[babanch]

"any monkey can climb poles and tone out wires "
"I would not be a high level engineer for my company"


Sounds to me like lurch couldnt hack blue collar work and ran behind a desk. I will relay your message to my coworkers about us being monkeys ..........DOUCHE BAG

[lurch]

Please....I did it for 11 years and know that ANY able bodied person can do that job. I can come out from my desk right now, reduce my salary by 75% and smoke your lazy ass at service and installs. While you are drinking at the bar with your other slacker union members I will do three times the work at 2/3 the cost.

Just remember that because of the unions the united states is so far behind in high speed deployment! Look at Japan, Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Switzerland, France and Norway they have had high speed services to the home for years at a high penetration rate!! These providers in these countries have been offering these services for years.

All of these countries buy equipment from my company and it is funny that these countries laugh at the providers in the US because the time it took to deploy these services. VZ is just starting to get this service rolling ONLY because they have to compete with the cable companies.

Have fun walking the line while the union gives you nothing....will you be able to stand up that long while being drunk? You drive a truck while drunk so you should be able to stand up and walk in a circle for a few hours anyway.

Can you do my job...I will say that even with your "high skills" you woulnd not even get an interview!

[reelecstasy]

Wow, do you talk to your friend that works for Verizon that way? I am sure they would love to hear your true opinion...

[lurch]

Originally Posted by reelecstasy

Wow, do you talk to your friend that works for Verizon that way? I am sure they would love to hear your true opinion...

He worked with me at the cable company for the 11 years as well and he knows how I feel. He knows that I could do that job just as well as anyone he works with even after being out of the bucket for 10 years.

He is the one telling me about the drunks he works with

We did have some heated discussions when he first started working for VZ because he was a big union supporter but now after the 12 years he agrees with me that working for the union sucks.

Because WE have an exceptional work ethic he is sick and tired of the slackers in his garage that get away with not doing their job.

[babanch]

Your the clown i saw last week walking down the side of the street with your clip board and your orange measureing wheel.While wearing your bright white hard hat and your safety glasses so you dont poke your self in the eye with that sharp #2 and your orange vest covering your pink polo shirt with your khaki pants on and your work boots that dont have a scuff on them because your company only makes you put them on the two times a year you get your fat ass out of your cubicle and actually make it into the field to do some real work.

[Fishin' Blues]

Man, what a ding dong. lol

[babanch]

"I am not a pissed off Phone guy but did work for Comcast for 11 years. I started off as an installer and worked my way through many types of jobs in my career at Comcast. I was one of the very first group of employees who did the cable modem project around Boston so we had to understand voice, video and data services in 1995'. I am very proud of the work that I did there and know that at EVERY job I completed I gave 100%. I did my own install at my house I bought in 97' and I have never needed a service call or lost service on my cable modem....why because the install was done properly and designed to support the return cable plant.

I was one of those employees who did high quality work as well and was paid VERY well while there. When I left 10 years ago my NON UNION salary was just below 60K/year(not bad for a 25 year old kid!). I left the company because I was offered a job at Nortel because of my cable modem / networking skill set that the non Union company provided. Now because of that cable modem skill set I am a highly paid high level network engineer for Juniper Networks with my salary more than doubling since I left Comcast . I LOVE MY JOB AND THE COMPANY I WORK FOR!!

We all know that there are slackers who work for both companies so do not say that every VZ worker does high quality work. One of the reasons why my friend who works for VZ is so pissed is because of the high percentage of slackers in his garage but because of the Union there is nothing VZ can do about it.

The workers from Comcast who left to go to VZ are the slackers that Comcast does not want. Believe me we had slackers leave to go to RCN and we were happy to get rid of them. Comcast retains their best employees because when I worked there they offered me more money to stay.....that would never happen at VZ.

With Comcast we had the ability to get rid of employees who were slackers but does VZ have that same option? NO as long as they do not break any rules they stay forever! With the slackers being around they are preventing you from being making a higher salary.

I do agree that you need a pay raise BUT do the slackers?

If the union is so good why are there slackers? IMO unions promote slacker workers because they are protected.

Why doesnt the union get rid of the slackers in my friends garage?

Why should VZ pay these slacker employees a higher wage and better benefits?

Since VZ are paying 100% of your health care costs and with that cost increasing every year maybe VZ is saying you get a 0% pay raise but not have to pay any % of your health care costs?

Or maybe they will give you a 10% pay raise but then have to pay 10% of your health care costs?

What are the sticking points of the contract?"







So let me get this right according to what you wrote here you left the cable company at 25 making 60k a year after 10 years there? So you started there when you were 15 ? No wonder you hate unions you apparently support child labor and sweat shops.

[Fishin' Blues]

No, he changed it to 11 years a few posts up. He must have been a 14 y.o. go-getter. lol

[lurch]

Originally Posted by babanch

So let me get this right according to what you wrote here you left the cable company at 25 making 60k a year after 10 years there? So you started there when you were 15 ? No wonder you hate unions you apparently support child labor and sweat shops.

I started working there in April of 99 when I was 18. I left 10 years later at 28...I was making ~60K / year at 25. Sorry for not being accurate on the hiring dates. You probably have been at VZ for 30 years and still making less than I did at 25

[lurch]

Originally Posted by babanch

Your the clown i saw last week walking down the side of the street with your clip board and your orange measureing wheel.While wearing your bright white hard hat and your safety glasses so you dont poke your self in the eye with that sharp #2 and your orange vest covering your pink polo shirt with your khaki pants on and your work boots that dont have a scuff on them because your company only makes you put them on the two times a year you get your fat ass out of your cubicle and actually make it into the field to do some real work.

You must be the slacker who sits in the bar drinking the day away while my buddy does your job. Then when VZ fires your ass you file a grievance with the union because you were wrongfully terminated. The union goes to bat for you saying that you have a disease and you get to go back to work sitting in the bar all day while VZ pays you.......it is too bad that slackers like you bring down good workers like my buddy and TheSpecialist.

[Fishin' Blues]

Dude, you need to give it up. You haven't the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. 60K is crap pay for a tech. No fooling. The guys working FIOS have already made that this year with the OT.

You're just making yourself look ignorant, man.

[lurch]

Originally Posted by Fishin' Blues

Dude, you need to give it up. You haven't the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. 60K is crap pay for a tech. No fooling. The guys working FIOS have already made that this year with the OT.

You're just making yourself look ignorant, man.

I totally agree that 60K is nothing today but 10 years ago did the union guys make that amount?

[Fishin' Blues]

Yes. In most cases, much more.

[babanch]

"I started working there in April of 99 when I was 18. I left 10 years later at 28...I was making ~60K / year at 25. Sorry for not being accurate on the hiring dates. You probably have been at VZ for 30 years and still making less than I did at 25 "


Hey genius its August 5 2008. April of 99 + 10 years = April of 09. Tell me again what company hired you as an engineer you tool.

[Gloucester2]

Mind if I pull up a chair

[Mike P]

Pissing contest over.