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I think you should have put up some clips from Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best. It is fun to play games and pretend which portal of the time machine we would step out of.But in real life that is not the case. I know the winter hill gang enjoyed the prosperity of the last generation but even Whitey knew it would not last forever.This is a thread of candy canes and lollipops but real life dictates that the big boy pants be secured and progressive thinking caps adorn our domes.Please stop whining about something we can't control and use your time for something more constructive.
Hey Jimmy,I saw that teachers in Texas are packing heat,things are looking up....
I think you should have put up some clips from Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best. It is fun to play games and pretend which portal of the time machine we would step out of.But in real life that is not the case. I know the winter hill gang enjoyed the prosperity of the last generation but even Whitey knew it would not last forever.This is a thread of candy canes and lollipops but real life dictates that the big boy pants be secured and progressive thinking caps adorn our domes.Please stop whining about something we can't control and use your time for something more constructive.
Hey Jimmy,I saw that teachers in Texas are packing heat,things are looking up....
Dangles, must be difficult going through life as a victim, powerless to change the world. I am an idealist, I look for change and I look to bring change. Im glad you can sit back and say "well, #^&#^&#^&#^& happens, live with it". Thats what cowards do. Bunch of folks like you 300+ yrs ago said,"well, if the king wants us to pay the stamp tax, I guess we have to, no sense fighting it" Other guys with balls, cried bullshat, took up arms and guess what happened? I'll continue to move forward and change what I can. i see America quickly going down the crapper. I have an obligation to fight it. Its people that are forcing us downhill, nothing else. Im tired of fear dictating how I live.
Dangles, must be difficult going through life as a victim, powerless to change the world. I am an idealist, I look for change and I look to bring change. Im glad you can sit back and say "well, #^&#^&#^&#^& happens, live with it". Thats what cowards do. Bunch of folks like you 300+ yrs ago said,"well, if the king wants us to pay the stamp tax, I guess we have to, no sense fighting it" Other guys with balls, cried bullshat, took up arms and guess what happened? I'll continue to move forward and change what I can. i see America quickly going down the crapper. I have an obligation to fight it. Its people that are forcing us downhill, nothing else. Im tired of fear dictating how I live.
Jimmy,get some coffee and then read the post.Who is the victim crying pity me?
I love the country and I am optomistic for my childrens future,where do I paint myself as a victim?You can use your time shoveling sand against the tide if you think it will make a difference.
Last week I took my boys to DC for my first ever trip to the nations capital as well as theirs. My first trip simply because as a kid we lacked the resouces to go.I was fortunate to happen into the Pearl Harbor ceremony at the WW2 memorial,I would hate to tarnish their sacrifices by poopooing the current stste of affairs and lack of opportunity. Of all the people to whine about the economy it seems ironic that it would be two guys who just bought new boats.I feel bad for your kids if this is the message they are faced with on a daily basis. You embrace change so much that when things went the wrong way for you in Cupcakeland you decided to move rather than stay and make a difference.That is fortitude in the 21st century.
Jimmy,get some coffee and then read the post.Who is the victim crying pity me?
I love the country and I am optomistic for my childrens future,where do I paint myself as a victim?You can use your time shoveling sand against the tide if you think it will make a difference.
Last week I took my boys to DC for my first ever trip to the nations capital as well as theirs. My first trip simply because as a kid we lacked the resouces to go.I was fortunate to happen into the Pearl Harbor ceremony at the WW2 memorial,I would hate to tarnish their sacrifices by poopooing the current stste of affairs and lack of opportunity. Of all the people to whine about the economy it seems ironic that it would be two guys who just bought new boats.I feel bad for your kids if this is the message they are faced with on a daily basis. You embrace change so much that when things went the wrong way for you in Cupcakeland you decided to move rather than stay and make a difference.That is fortitude in the 21st century.
I moved because I was tired of my hour + commute. I now have 10 minute commute and can attend my kids school activities, something I couldnt do for years. Im also home every night for homework and sports. Those are things I control. My initial post was a response to 20 dead kids, calls for arming teachers, increased security at schools, events, etc. The result of fear is less and less freedom. I dont want an America like this and I guarantee no man or woman who sacrificed for our country wanted this either.
We take diversity training at work and then we have to ban holiday events because of the religious content. WTF? Where is the diversity and toleratiing different beliefs and ideals?
You paint yourself as a victim by stating things change, deal with it. Your responses seem to me like you are powerless to change whats around you. The Holocaust was change, should the Germans have just dealt with it? Thats right, they actually did just turn their heads.
Here is a little diddy i learned as a kid -
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Those of us who can afford new boats understand the risks and impacts of lousy economic polices. Some of us are in weekly meetings planning for the impact of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes, low interest rates, etc. To some of us, the economy is not something we read about, its what we work in. Those that have nothing to lose or those who do not work for a living need not be concerned.
Those of us who can afford new boats understand the risks and impacts of lousy economic polices. Some of us are in weekly meetings planning for the impact of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes, low interest rates, etc. To some of us, the economy is not something we read about, its what we work in. Those that have nothing to lose or those who do not work for a living need not be concerned.
I see, so you're just smarter than the poor people. Had no idea I was in such elite company
I see, so you're just smarter than the poor people. Had no idea I was in such elite company
-spence
Elite company, well thanks to your boy Obama I am constantly reminded that I make up the very top of earners in this country. Must be some reason?
Spence, please give you job away to the poor. Obvioulsy they deserve it more than you, right?
SeaDangles - Yeah I bought a new boat. My household is doing OK. You think that means I have no reason to comlain about the economy? Here's what you and Spence cannot grasp...I don't assume my experience is reflective of everyone else. If I'm doing well, but record numbers of people are struggling, then I say 'things stink'. Maybe you are so self-centered that you view the world through the lens of how it only affects you, but I don't.
Maybe you and Spence are only concerned with how you are personally doing. Some of us care about the welfare of everyone.
Jimmy,can you tell me what you have done to revers the trends you seem so concerned with.I think if I were to be enlightened as the extent of your looking for change and looking to bring change that I may be inspired to do the same.Please list these changes and display your bravery for those interested in your causes.If the change you pride yourself on is threads in the political forum of a fishing website that is a great start.Our president also speaks of change....good company
Nobody WANTS schools to need this type of security but what is the real option?NO protection?Hope it doesn't happen again?Oh,I know.We will stop the sale of guns? or just deal with it the best way you can?
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You're right...we should do nothing and just let natural order take over...
-spence
Whoa . . . wasssup? I try to agree withyall about "doing something" about bombs and you get all sarcastic on me. All right, all right, so I was being a little sarc myself, but I thought it was funny. Bomb control? C'mon . . . not even a smile?
Oh yeah, the natural order. I wasn't aware that nature had lost control yet. I believe that it is "natural" to want to "do something" about random violence, even though, according to the most progressive among us, it was supposed to be various random violent events that created us. Fear is natural and wanting to prevent that which scares us is natural. That all does seem to be within the realm of the "natural order" so doing something, rather than nothing as you imply, IS a part of the natural order.
Now, if you're trying to poke fun at human nature being the Founder's basis for their creation of government, then I don't know what other basis there would be for government. I assume we mean by government, that method with which humans cooperate. I also assume that cooperation is part of the natural order. But so is violence against that cooperation, as is selfishness, as is evil, as are all things human, human nature being a part of the natural order.
The Founder's understood the conflicting natural tendencies in humans. They understood the tendency to give up freedom for security. They understood the tendency of majority suppression of minorities because of various "natural" fears and desires.
That Constitution was not a prescription for doing nothing and letting "the natural order to take over." It was, rather, a recognition of our nature and a governance of it so as to allow individuals their optimum power to realize their personal natural desires. It was "doing something" about the human condition to reign in the destructive portions of our nature, not to loose them upon society. And part of that doing something was not to institute despotic or dictatorial rules that violate our natural and constitutional rights. It was not meant that we should react to fear or momentary emotions to create such rules.
That Constitution was not a prescription for doing nothing and letting "the natural order to take over." It was, rather, a recognition of our nature and a governance of it so as to allow individuals their optimum power to realize their personal natural desires. It was "doing something" about the human condition to reign in the destructive portions of our nature, not to loose them upon society. And part of that doing something was not to institute despotic or dictatorial rules that violate our natural and constitutional rights. It was not meant that we should react to fear or momentary emotions to create such rules.
Bingo. The Founding Fathers knew human nature through and through, it's
selfcenterness and quest for power. Having lived under tyrany they knew it
firsthand and were wise enough to write the Constitution in a way to safeguard aganist it.
Oh--Oh! Obama better tell Biden to add bomb control to the gun control thing he's working on.
I guess he's so serious about this issue that he put Biden in charge????....good grief????...I know, I know...."hater"...."Biden is brilliant and well dressed so suck on it".....blah...blah...blah....hilarious...oh... he has, of course , "a very impressive resume"....why, Biden was also named to head the White House Task Force on Working Families, an initiative aimed at improving the economic well being of the middle class.
Folks, I am not bummed about my life, my kids, my situation. I live an extremely fortunate life. I am bummed about my freedoms constantly detriorating. In life you slowly make concessions and then stop for a minute and look around you. I've done that and had a holyshat moment. I listed them in my initial post - airport security, cameras at every stop light, constant security at events and now the talk of armed guards at schools. Enough is enough. While third world countries have moved more towards our economic standards, we've moved more towards their police state rule. I cant see it getting better. Then there is the constant war on childhood - christmas, junk food, playing outside, etc. This is not me saying "those crazy kids and their rock and roll are gonna be the death of us" its noting the major changes in society and what we live with every day. The last 10 yrs have brought on more negative change than the last 50.
Dangles - good question, what do I do? Here is a list
I write emails to my politicians, frequently
I have written editorials to local papers
May not seem like much but its more that 99% of most americans
As an individual, I kick my kids in the arse to play outside. I let them ride their bikes outside of my constant supervision. I watch Its a wonderful life and the grinch with them and explain the message. On 12/7 I sat there with my ipad at the breakfast table and showed them video of pearl harbor so at least they'd have a clue. I save $$ as much as possible to protect my family from financial downturn. Frequently sacrifice to make sure we're covered no matter what. The day my kids were born they had a 529 account.
I have no clue what the hell I am doing or if its right. I can tell I dont like where this country is going and if enough good people dont stand up, our govt will continue to force more and more regulation of our lives to drive to THEIR ideal. Not mine. Your take seems to be there is nothing you can do about it and need to man up and deal with it. I choose to fight back, I dont know how, but I will.
So Jimmy,it seems you parent the same way I do...my 3rd grader walks home from school (supervised at first and with a buddy).All three have had college accounts since birth and will incur minimal debt (a little teaches them nothing is free).I have not however written the EastonJournal to demonstrate my bravery which you seem so proud of.Do I consider myself a lemming?Not in the least,but I choose to make a positive impact in other ways.I won't hesitate to say I resent being called a coward for my lack of civil disobedience,I would probably refer to myself as a realist.NRA just made recommendations for our childrens safety;they seem to be on my page and not yours.I would rather have my kids safe and try a little prevention while you seek a cure.Yup I am going mainstream again.Now I will go wrap gifts with the kids at My Brothers Keeper.A Holiday tradition of helping those less fortunate enjoy Christmas.Each gift is delivered with a cross to let the recipients know where the gifts come from.I am not religious but it makes me feel good.I guess that makes me a selfish coward.
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