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Old 08-22-2007, 04:17 PM   #1
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That's just nonsense.

The government regulates many facets of industry to ensure alignment for the common good.

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Common good. As determined by "It takes a Village" Clinton. Suckas.

The beatings will continue until morale improves
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:44 PM   #2
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Common good. As determined by "It takes a Village" Clinton. Suckas.
We all know the Government does a lot of stuff that's not in the Constitution...and some of it does make us better off

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Old 08-22-2007, 05:06 PM   #3
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Hillary is a shrewd politician, no different from the rest of them.
She knows by inciting people that are paying $3/gal gas that a statement like the above ,
will make Joe public think, hey the big oil companies are screwing us and she's gonna get their profits.

Never says how, doesn't need to, the seed is planted,
-vote for Hillary she's against big oil. Mission complete.

We need a candidate who says what they mean, and mean what they say, then shows the plan.
Then Joe public can make an intelligent decision.

Unfortunately there's none around.

The Adele Stephensons and true Statesman of our country are gone, never to be seen again.

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Old 08-22-2007, 05:31 PM   #4
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Never says how, doesn't need to, the seed is planted,
-vote for Hillary she's against big oil. Mission complete.
Sure she has said how...

1) Don't raise oil industry taxes
2) End government oil industry subsidies
3) Establish a profit threshold (based on historic trends) that companies can either use the cut off excess to contribute to an alternative energy fund (probably directing money back at them in the form of government incentives) or keep the money to invest it themselves into alternative energy technology, which many are already doing today.

In the end the companies still make record profits and the people and industry are in alignment on the direction we need to take.

Would it impact shareholder value? Perhaps, but mostly in the short-term as it would accelerate an innovative green and more self sufficient economy. It could also encourage investment in the energy sector by cleaning up public perception which isn't all that great right now.

Left to themselves the oil industry would gladly bleed the earth dry to deliver record earnings and let the next generation die in the energy wars with China.

Is that the fate you're wishing upon your three grandchildren?

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Old 08-22-2007, 07:36 PM   #5
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Sure she has said how...

1) Don't raise oil industry taxes
2) End government oil industry subsidies
3) Establish a profit threshold

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Interesting stuff Spence.

1)Don't raise oil industry taxes.
Now that they will be taking it off the top, why not do away with all their taxes?
That could cause a problem though if their profits fell.

2)End government oil industry subsidies.
Does that include defense subsidies?

3)Establish a profit threshold.
That's a great idea, and while we are at it do the same to all industries ,high tech, gees Microsoft profits averages out something like the mid 20% range, pharmaceuticals, , corporate lawyers, and why not individuals like sports figures, Hollywood stars and so on and so on.
That way the government would have even more money to continue to spend wisely, like they did with FEMA.

We could become just like Norway, where there is no incentive to develop or invent anything. Just lay back drink and ski.

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3)Establish a profit threshold.
That's a great idea, and while we are at it do the same to all industries ,high tech, gees Microsoft profits averages out something like the mid 20% range, pharmaceuticals, , corporate lawyers, and why not individuals like sports figures, Hollywood stars and so on and so on.
You could make a good argument that Microsoft's profit margin is the result of monopolistic business practices and many would agree.

As for Pharma, if they weren't subsidized by the US Taxpayer via a MASSIVE indusrty lobby who's done everything to eliminate competition through price fixing perhaps we'd pay the same for drugs as other nations. You don't "need" a 24% margin to spur innovation...unless it's innovation in MARKETING.

Which is exactly the rub.

People love to stroke the "free market" woodie 'cauze it makes them feel like they're writing an op-ed for the National Review, when in reality our markets are nothing like "free".

A true free market would probably return all the wealth to a select few very rapidly and leave the rest of us living in polluted bliss pretty quickly. Some think we're headed there regardless.

That's exactly why this "democratic" society has a progressive tax system (a.k.a wealth re-distribution) and Government regulators to control our "free market" system of commerce.

Granted with all of that it's still the best game in town and our legal system, the best in the world, keeps it all together.

But please, don't cry foul when someone wants to engineer our society, because people have been doing it for the last 200 years.

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Old 08-22-2007, 09:45 PM   #7
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But please, don't cry foul when someone wants to engineer our society, because people have been doing it for the last 200 years.

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Depends on what you mean by engineering our society and who is engineering it. As long as it continues with free enterprise and our current constittuion i'm all for it.

That's why we vote to decide what we need, or don't need, and who's going to do the engineering.

My vote, as yours, will depend on what i think needs fixing and who is qualified to fix it.

Politicians depend on our poor memories of their pasts and the same old same old slogans like, "it takes a village" or "no child left behind",
who knows what they will name the next ones, as a guise to make us think they are inovative and have a plan that works.


Just mho, but right now i don't see anybody on the horizon that i think has what it takes to turn our country around. We may have already gone too far to fix. Infrastucture, drugs or whatever.

It took Rome 1000 years to fall, but after 200 years we seem to be on the fast track. However, hope springs eternal.

But whata i know, i'm just a lil' old country boy.

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