nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

The poor are poor because they are either lazy or stupid (or a combination of the 2)
The rich (self made rich) didn't get rich being lazy, stupid or a combination of the 2.
Always the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing apologist Spence !

Are you rich?
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[justplugit]

The poor are getting poorer because there are fewer jobs in this economy for them to work at. However, I keep seeing help wanted signs in many small retail businesses, but people can make out just as well with all their Govt. give a ways. Takes away incentive.

Jobs are being lost in the poorer states like W. Virginia because the EPA is causing the coal mines to produce less coal with lay offs of up to 70% of the work force. The Keystone pipe line, drilling and fracking would help workers as these, who want to work, get jobs. At the same time we could become energy independent and not have to deal with all this stuff in the Middle East.
But that makes too much sense.
I laugh when people put down the rich, they have no clue as to how much sacrifice time and effort are required to become rich. They provide jobs and benefits for people and pay taxes.
Obama loves to see them become richer as they are the ones who are paying the large % of the taxes that he can use to give away more.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Are you rich?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Am I rich, no
Am I poor, no
Somewhere in the middle and have worked my ass off my whole life and have never taken or asked for a hand out, ever !

[Fishpart]

And another thing, try and find a machinist... YOU CAN'T why? se During the Clinton years the GVT controlled monopoly education system decided to stop teaching the trades and send everyone to college and transition to a "Service Economy", look what that did for us.

Why are house prices out of control? The governmnet got involved in the mortgage business, Barney and crew hauled the bank presidents in fromt of a Senate Sub-Comittee and forced them to give out loans to everyone without verifying income etc... Then Chris Dodd made the statement that the loans were backed by fannie and Freddie and didn't need to be capitalized at 20%, 2% was good enough because the loans were backed by the faith and credit of the GVT, which then created the derivative market which caused the crash...

The government isn't the solution, it IS the problem. Read von Hayek, we are on the rod to serfdom..

[scottw]

this represents your average conversation with a liberal/progressive though...

Jim points out that many Unions are unhappy with Obamacare, along with so much of the nation and that they want special treatment from their buddies

Spence replies suggesting that Jim has no idea what he's talking about and blames it all on some unnamed Republican

Eben then rambles on some nonsense about how this is all the fault of peak sustainable capitalism, which sounds too much like peak oil and sustainability(catch phrases) rolled up in a ball....or something but doesn't have time to elaborate

and of course....ARE YOU RICH?......

I'd be afraid to answer that these days, like putting a target on your shirt, unless you are Lefty Rich, then you are the BEST!

oh, brother Hope and Change!

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

this represents your average conversation with a liberal/progressive though...

And this represents your typical post. Add nothing...misinform.

-spence

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by scottw

this represents your average conversation with a liberal/progressive though...

Jim points out that many Unions are unhappy with Obamacare, along with so much of the nation and that they want special treatment from their buddies

Spence replies suggesting that Jim has no idea what he's talking about and blames it all on some unnamed Republican

Eben then rambles on some nonsense about how this is all the fault of peak sustainable capitalism, which sounds too much like peak oil and sustainability(catch phrases) rolled up in a ball....or something but doesn't have time to elaborate

and of course...

I'd be afraid to answer that these days, like putting a target on your shirt, unless you are Lefty Rich, then you are the BEST!

oh, brother Hope and Change!

I am not happy with it because i will be taxed on it in the future

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

And another thing, try and find a machinist... YOU CAN'T why? se During the Clinton years the GVT controlled monopoly education system decided to stop teaching the trades and send everyone to college and transition to a "Service Economy", look what that did for us.

The reason you can't find a machinist is likely because they're in demand. While lower end production has largely left the country precision manufacturing is doing quite well. Companies right now can't get enough local talent. The work is increasingly most sophisticated as well, that engineering degree is a prerequisite for many jobs.

-spence

[justplugit]

Spence, if you want to know the truth about Machinists ask Professor Moriarity
about the demand for Machinists.Unless there has been a 360 in the last year
or so it is quite the opposite of your post.

Scottw, LOL waaay to funnie.

[justplugit]

"Perhaps some new form of "Socialism", not yet invented, will make everyone Equal.
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Not only is it not yet invented, but never will be , because there will always be people who are ambitious, like hard work and all the satisfaction and self worth it brings and there will always be lazy slackerds. Human nature will never change.

Capitalism is as close to being fair as possible because you are rewarded on the basis of what sacrifices and hard work you are willing to make and do.
Socialism is unfair because slackerds benefit from the hard work of others.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, if you want to know the truth ..........

or so it is quite the opposite of your post.

this is usually the case isn't it?

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, if you want to know the truth about Machinists ask Professor Moriarity
about the demand for Machinists.Unless there has been a 360 in the last year
or so it is quite the opposite of your post.

Scottw, LOL waaay to funnie.

Wait, I'm wrong and if I want to find out go ask someone else?

It might not be perfect for everyone everywhere, but overall demand is certainly up. The challenge many companies have is finding the right skills in the right location.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Wait, I'm wrong and if I want to find out go ask someone else?

It might not be perfect for everyone everywhere, but overall demand is certainly up. The challenge many companies have is finding the right skills in the right location.

-spence

Spence, seriously, go to the horse's mouth. P. is a skilled professional Machinist and will give you the right skinny.