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Old 11-20-2019, 07:00 AM   #1
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first hand witnesses deny quid pro quo, bribery, extortion

Volker and Morrison who were actually on the call, deny there was any bribery, extortion, or quid pro quo.

contrast that to those who say they “heard from others” that those things took place.

Any evidence these guys were lying under oath?
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:46 AM   #2
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Members of the conspiracy deny they conspired.
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:03 AM   #3
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This is blowing up in their face and our local believers are strangely silent.
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One witness requested by Republicans, Kurt Volker, a former special envoy to Ukraine, said that Trump’s request of an investigation of Joe Biden made him realize that he failed to equate discussions of the gas company Burisma with Biden.
Testimony on Tuesday provided evidence of Trump’s direct role in the plot. Volker and a fellow witness, the National Security Council official Tim Morrison, both testified that Sondland was in regular communication with Trump. Three witnesses confirmed that they had heard the president personally request, in his July call with Zelenskiy, an investigation of Joe Biden and coordination with Giuliani.
“At no time was I aware of or knowingly took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden,” Volker’s statement reads. “ I was not made aware of any reference to Vice President Biden or his son by President Trump, until the transcript of that call was released on September 25, 2019.

“Throughout this time, I understood that there was an important distinction between ‘Burisma’ and ‘Biden’, and urged the Ukrainians to maintain such a distinction. I did not know that President Trump or others had raised Vice President Biden with the Ukrainians, or had conflated the investigation of possible Ukrainian corruption, with investigation of the former Vice President. In retrospect, for the Ukrainians, it clearly would have been confusing.

“In hindsight, I now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption involving the Ukrainian company, ‘Burisma,’ as equivalent to investigating former Vice President Biden.”
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Just have Gym, Nunes and Stefanik screech some more
Today Sondland testifies
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:55 AM   #6
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and a disgruntled former employee, testified that trump is mean. and the guy before, testified that he overheard someone say there was quid pro quo. You want to nullify a national election, for THAT?

at some point, do you require any evidence that this happened? or are you such a partisan ideologue, that the accusation is enough?
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One witness requested by Republicans, Kurt Volker, a former special envoy to Ukraine, said that Trump’s request of an investigation of Joe Biden made him realize that he failed to equate discussions of the gas company Burisma with Biden.
Testimony on Tuesday provided evidence of Trump’s direct role in the plot. Volker and a fellow witness, the National Security Council official Tim Morrison, both testified that Sondland was in regular communication with Trump. Three witnesses confirmed that they had heard the president personally request, in his July call with Zelenskiy, an investigation of Joe Biden and coordination with Giuliani.
“At no time was I aware of or knowingly took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden,” Volker’s statement reads. “ I was not made aware of any reference to Vice President Biden or his son by President Trump, until the transcript of that call was released on September 25, 2019.

“Throughout this time, I understood that there was an important distinction between ‘Burisma’ and ‘Biden’, and urged the Ukrainians to maintain such a distinction. I did not know that President Trump or others had raised Vice President Biden with the Ukrainians, or had conflated the investigation of possible Ukrainian corruption, with investigation of the former Vice President. In retrospect, for the Ukrainians, it clearly would have been confusing.

“In hindsight, I now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption involving the Ukrainian company, ‘Burisma,’ as equivalent to investigating former Vice President Biden.”
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is anyone denying trump asked for an investigation? He’s the executive branch. That’s in his purview.

You sure are offended at the notion of uncovering the truth of what the bidens did there.
“Gym” Jordan!! that’s a good one, haw haw haw my stomach hurts from laughing.

Wheels coming off the bus.
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Such a partisan comment, but that’s the party line, that all the Democrats wanted since the election, was to impeach trump. How many times has the leader and others stated this is not where they wanted to be, that they would have much preferred to get on with the business of governing. They were forced here because Trump has no respect for law, thinks he knows more than the experts and can’t let them do their job and eats conspiracy theories for breakfast during his “executive” time.

If you believe impeaching him is what they want, I’m pretty sure they will succeed in the house, probably not in the senate and if you think wearing the badge of honor of being only one of few presidents to have been impeached in the house is good for his 2020 chances; you probably believe Ukraine interfered in 2016 and not the Russians.
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Gordon Sondland: everything Sondland did, "the Ukrainian pressure, the quid pro-quo - was at the direction of Donald Trump".

Sondland also implicates US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former National Security Advisor John Bolton. "They knew what we were doing and why."

Wiggle out of this one....

Cant say never trumper cant say hes a lier can't say he heard it through others . You'll try to say becused the egg never hatched there is no chicken .. Supporters need to just admit they have no issues. With Trump asking for dirt on a us citizen and political rival , from a foreign country or countries.. for personal benfit
willingly putting man (trump) and party before the country and the Constitution usung the excuse he was elected and that somehow excuses what he has clearly done or tried to do ,
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Sondland I think just made Nunes crap his pants, everyone in loop, yes QPQ, direction from trump and coordinator Rudy.
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Such a partisan comment, but that’s the party line, that all the Democrats wanted since the election, was to impeach trump.
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kind of hard to deny that. video evidence of those in congress calling for impeachment, the whistleblowers lawyer saying the coup has started and impeachment was inevitable.

you take nancy pelosi at her word when she says she gets no pleasure from this. fine. why don’t you take yesterday’s witnesses at their word, when they say they were in the call and there was no bribery?
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is anyone denying trump asked for an investigation? He’s the executive branch. That’s in his purview. Is it really "his purview" to ask for an investigation of a political rival even when his own state dept. says there is nothing there - what a joke.

You sure are offended at the notion of uncovering the truth of what the bidens did there.
“Gym” Jordan!! that’s a good one, haw haw haw my stomach hurts from laughing.There is far more evidence Jordan knew about the perv. then there is that J. Biden did anything wrong.

Wheels coming off the bus.If you listen to Sondland's testimony the wheels are certainly coming off the Trump bus
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So should your town's police chief investigate your pedophilia?
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:26 AM   #14
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It gives me great glee to watch our local libtards watch their ship sink and feign surprise. Time to lay in the bed you have made up and stop throwing poop at the walls to see if it sticks.

See you at the next conspiracy meeting.
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:59 AM   #15
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Who's ship is sinking?

You understood that Rudy Guiliani spoke for the President, correct?
Sondland: Yes

Sondland is throwing everybody in the Trump administration under the bus, again and again, he's not going to jail for them.

Rudy is looking at his insurance policy right now

"Mike" is realizing that his Senate dreams are over

Pence is getting out of town

Nikki is wishing she had stayed home

Bolton is grinning

And Floridaman is thinking of another trip to Walter Reed

"I would like you to do us a favor though"
Impeached President Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

"Everyone was in the loop.....It was no secret."
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

Remember Impeachment is a process, it might take 10 or 15 flushes before he's gone..........
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Again look who refused to honor subpoenas. Perry. Bolton, Rudy. Bolton ... yet all your, Law and order Republicans . Completely ingnore those facts..

Yet keep going to but but Bidens...

Commanders intent provide by Rudy..
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Sondland destroyed virtually every Trump defense: Trump didn’t care about Ukraine; there was a quid pro quo; Trump & Rudy demanded the announcement of investigations; everyone was in the loop; Ukraine knew about the linkage; all was directed by Trump
Now that they have resumed, Castor is trying desperately to pin it all on Rudy and get Floridaman out from under the bus.
He's jammed way under the bus

"I would like you to do us a favor though"
Impeached President Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

"Everyone was in the loop.....It was no secret."
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

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Old 11-20-2019, 11:41 AM   #18
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Enjoy your victory and have a cold beer gents. Surely the greatest president of our lifetime MUST be worried sick about these very serious allegations. When all of this hard work and taxpayer dollars amounts to nothing I hope you stay vigilant.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:42 AM   #19
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Volker and Morrison who were actually on the call, deny there was any bribery, extortion, or quid pro quo.

contrast that to those who say they “heard from others” that those things took place.

Any evidence these guys were lying under oath?
"We now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery...

I think articles of impeachment are being drawn up if they haven't already been drawn up." —Ken Starr

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Impeached President Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
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"Everyone was in the loop.....It was no secret."
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

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"We now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery...

I think articles of impeachment are being drawn up if they haven't already been drawn up." —Ken Starr
shocker. you believe everyone who says he did it, and dismiss everyone who says he didn’t.

if the impeach trump, i hope they also file perjury charges against the guys who testified yesterday.

the articles of impeachment were drawn up before Hilary’s concession speech was drawn up.
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Kicked him -- right in the gut: "I don't know how you can characterize it as an irregular channel if you're talking about the Pres of US, Secretary of State, Chief of Staff, Secretary of Energy."
Castor violated lawyer's maxim, don't ask question you don't know the answer to.

Republicans members of House Intel left the room — only Jordan and Ratcliffe still there.

Are they picking who gets to go visit Floridaman and tell him it's over?

"I would like you to do us a favor though"
Impeached President Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

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Ambassador Gordon Sondland

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I'll let Bryan Gividen's twitter post explain it

I am a pro-religious liberty, pro-life, would snort Cocaine Mitch’s judicial confirmations if I could, kind of conservative.

I will explain exactly once why conservatives should support impeachment based on what is publicly available and undisputed.

At this point, there is no question that President Trump directed U.S. officials to withhold security funding to the Ukraine so Ukraine would investigate the Bidens. That is the kind of abuse of the President’s authority we should not tolerate.

So it is absolutely clear what we are talking about: the President used hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money as a bargaining chip to make a foreign country investigate his rivals. That is a textbook play from dictators who are trying to keep power.

“But the Bidens were corrupt!” No clue if this is true, but I don’t care. Americans don’t outsource their investigations of political rivals to foreign countries, especially ones that are themselves full of corruption and especially not with strings attached.

“But the President has authority over foreign policy!” You’re right, but the President is also accountable for how he uses that authority. And when he begins using it to target Americans to entrench his own power, the Constitution says Congress should act.

“But the President really has authority over foreign policy!” Again, you’re right. But if Donald Trump made the “foreign policy call” to turn over the White House to Vladamir Putin, do you really think we couldn’t stop him?

“Democrats are just trying to overturn the 2016 election.” True that a bunch of Ds would impeach Trump if he had sneezed during the oath of office. But stupidity doesn’t excuse stupidity. We’re asking whether President should be impeached, not whether Democrats are consistent.

“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” First, realistically, we’re talking about Mike Pence becoming President. He will be as good as Trump was on all of those issues.

“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” Second, selling out American national security threatens each one of those issues far more than swapping out Trump for Pence.

We Americans often take for granted what our security and freedom mean. In recorded history, few have had it as good as we do for as long as we have. A President willing to sell out Americans for his own power threatens what so many have built & fought & bled & died for.

“But I hate the Democrats.” Even if you do, realize that targeting Americans and selling out national security don’t end with them. Don’t doubt for a second that if Ted Cruz had tried to primary Trump, he’d be next.

Don’t support impeachment because you like the Democrats. Support impeachment because you fear that Donald Trump’s abuse of the presidency threatens your freedom.

That’s it. This is the most overtly political tweet I am likely to have ever. Doubt it will move the needle for anyone, but who knows! Maybe if more conservatives speak out, we can move the needle.

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"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
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Ambassador Gordon Sondland

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Watch the folks who won't meet with the panel and aren't under oath say Sondland is lying.
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Sondland destroyed virtually every Trump defense: Trump didn’t care about Ukraine; there was a quid pro quo;
Sondland said very explicitly under oath, that Trump said to him directly, that he wanted no quid pro quo.
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"We now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery...

I think articles of impeachment are being drawn up if they haven't already been drawn up." —Ken Starr
You left out that Starr is talking about Trumps obstruction into this impeachment inquiry, that's the impeachable offense Starr sees.

If Trump broke the law by obstructing the impeachement inquiry, prove it and kick him out. The accusation of quid pro quo, extortion, bribery, whatever other name du jeur the libs want to assign, is as of now, baseless.

Sondland said under oath, that Trump told him he didn't want anything from Ukraine.
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You left out that Starr is talking about Trumps obstruction into this impeachment inquiry, that's the impeachable offense Starr sees.

If Trump broke the law by obstructing the impeachement inquiry, prove it and kick him out. The accusation of quid pro quo, extortion, bribery, whatever other name du jeur the libs want to assign, is as of now, baseless.

Sondland said under oath, that Trump told him he didn't want anything from Ukraine.
It's important to note the timing of Trump's "I want nothing..I want no quid pro quo" statement to Sondland: It occurred on September 9, the exact same day the House Intel Committee received the whistleblower's complaint....

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Impeached President Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

"Everyone was in the loop.....It was no secret."
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

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It's important to note the timing of Trump's "I want nothing..I want no quid pro quo" statement to Sondland: It occurred on September 9, the exact same day the House Intel Committee received the whistleblower's complaint....
But that’s when Sondland asked the question of what Trump
wanted.

See Pete, the way human conversations work is, someone asks you a question, and then you answer it. It’s not easy to answer a question before it’s asked, even if that would be politically preferable.

So to you, the fact that Trump didn’t answer the question until
it was asked, is evidence of guilt. Trump should have preemptively told him that he didn’t want anything.
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I'll let Bryan Gividen's twitter post explain it

I am a pro-religious liberty, pro-life, would snort Cocaine Mitch’s judicial confirmations if I could, kind of conservative.

I will explain exactly once why conservatives should support impeachment based on what is publicly available and undisputed.

At this point, there is no question that President Trump directed U.S. officials to withhold security funding to the Ukraine so Ukraine would investigate the Bidens. That is the kind of abuse of the President’s authority we should not tolerate.

So it is absolutely clear what we are talking about: the President used hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money as a bargaining chip to make a foreign country investigate his rivals. That is a textbook play from dictators who are trying to keep power.

“But the Bidens were corrupt!” No clue if this is true, but I don’t care. Americans don’t outsource their investigations of political rivals to foreign countries, especially ones that are themselves full of corruption and especially not with strings attached.

“But the President has authority over foreign policy!” You’re right, but the President is also accountable for how he uses that authority. And when he begins using it to target Americans to entrench his own power, the Constitution says Congress should act.

“But the President really has authority over foreign policy!” Again, you’re right. But if Donald Trump made the “foreign policy call” to turn over the White House to Vladamir Putin, do you really think we couldn’t stop him?

“Democrats are just trying to overturn the 2016 election.” True that a bunch of Ds would impeach Trump if he had sneezed during the oath of office. But stupidity doesn’t excuse stupidity. We’re asking whether President should be impeached, not whether Democrats are consistent.

“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” First, realistically, we’re talking about Mike Pence becoming President. He will be as good as Trump was on all of those issues.

“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” Second, selling out American national security threatens each one of those issues far more than swapping out Trump for Pence.

We Americans often take for granted what our security and freedom mean. In recorded history, few have had it as good as we do for as long as we have. A President willing to sell out Americans for his own power threatens what so many have built & fought & bled & died for.

“But I hate the Democrats.” Even if you do, realize that targeting Americans and selling out national security don’t end with them. Don’t doubt for a second that if Ted Cruz had tried to primary Trump, he’d be next.

Don’t support impeachment because you like the Democrats. Support impeachment because you fear that Donald Trump’s abuse of the presidency threatens your freedom.

That’s it. This is the most overtly political tweet I am likely to have ever. Doubt it will move the needle for anyone, but who knows! Maybe if more conservatives speak out, we can move the needle.

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