This person was chosen to possibly be vice president???
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This person was chosen to possibly be vice president???
Now, Biden certainly has his share of gaffs, but he's not a stupid man. Sarah Palin is either mentally screwed up or thinking outside the box genius. She really should take some of that book money of hers and hire someone to assist Palin in pulling her head out of her ass.
So Obama did the right thing by refusing help from other countries? I'm not saying that Palin isn't completely nuts, but she has a point about the refusing of help. I don't know how the Dutch can help with a dike, but maybe they could stuff a bunch of sticky bud in the pipe and seal it up.
I'd really like to hear Alvin Greene's take on fixing the oil leak problem.
So Obama did the right thing by refusing help from other countries? I'm not saying that Palin isn't completely nuts, but she has a point about the refusing of help. I don't know how the Dutch can help with a dike, but maybe they could stuff a bunch of sticky bud in the pipe and seal it up.
I'd really like to hear Alvin Greene's take on fixing the oil leak problem.
I don't think any government has the means to handle this leak. What additional support is another country going to provide? What other country has ever had to resolve a disaster even remotely like this?
It sucks to accept it, but oil companies are the only ones armed with the technology, skill and know-how to deal with this. Many keep yelling "The government needs to do more. They aren't doing enough," but what exactly are they suppose to do? All our government can do is mobilize forces to try and reduce the environmental fallout and then force BP to pay for clean up.
There are also people hoping BP goes bankrupt. These same people forget that if that happens, who's left to try and fix this mess?? It is in our (American's) best interest for BP to continue being profitable. If they go under, guess who is stuck with the bill...
Before you answer that you'd have to determine if the accusation is fact or politically motivated spin.
-spence
Even you know the answer to that.
Johnny, I agree about other governments *probably* not being able to do much, but if I were the POTUS, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. A lot of help was offered for cleanup and containment and was refused. This, more than any time in recent history is when all reasonable offers of help should be welcomed and accepted. As a country, the US has come to the aid of other nations time and again. Are we too proud to accept a helping hand when we need it?
for every lame shot at Palin that you Obamunists take to make you feel what? smarter...wiser...more informed???, your messiah and his merry band of radicals put this country another tillion in debt and undermine the foundations of the country that they're sworn to uphold and protect...who has their head up their ass????
Palin is irrelevant...
the creep that you've elected is very relevant and dangerous...
for every lame shot at Palin that you Obamunists take to make you feel what? smarter...wiser...more informed???, your messiah and his merry band of radicals put this country another tillion in debt and undermine the foundations of the country that they're sworn to uphold and protect...who has their head up their ass????
Palin is irrelevant...
the creep that you've elected is very relevant and dangerous...
From sensibility to stupidity in an hour and a half. I think that's a new record.
Scotts right - you spend more time on Palin who leads nothing than on the guy running this country. Just. A reminder - 2 wars, guantanamo, recession, unemployment, natl debt, largest oil disaster ever. How's it going? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Scotts right - you spend more time on Palin who leads nothing than on the guy running this country. Just. A reminder - 2 wars, guantanamo, recession, unemployment, natl debt, largest oil disaster ever. How's it going? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Ah right. Because there are other issues in the country, we aren't allowed to pay attention to anything else. Palin willingly puts herself and her asinine comments out for the public.
The funny issue is that you and scott are fixated on Obama and unable to see anything else. You may not be aware, but there is a world outside of bitching and moaning about Obama.
Palin willingly puts herself and her asinine comments out for the public.
The funny issue is that you and scott are fixated on Obama and unable to see anything else. You may not be aware, but there is a world outside of bitching and moaning about Obama.
as do you....
I was actually fixated on her boobies when you posted the pic...soooo...not entirely fixated on the Face Stuffer-in-Chief...I also fish a lot.....there is a world outside of bitching and moaning here about Palin you know
Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?
Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?
The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).
The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).
drink some more kool-aid.
I love the "worst economic situation since the great depression"
Yeah, maybe for people who have no knowledge of history.
lets see -
70's oil crisis
Vietnam
WWII
Korean War
Cuban Missile crisis
9/11
Dot com bubble
MULTIPLE RECESSIONS and Periods of Unemployment , with gasp...... HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN THE LAST FEW years...
The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).
No. Spence's point, as far as I can tell, is that it is incredible that "they" attack Obama "for a lack of focus"--incredible because he "inherited" "two wars, Guantanamo, recession, unemployment, Natl debt, largest oil disaster ever."
As for your "worse economic situation since the Great Depression"--that "situation" has been building through "inherited" mismanagement and continued mismanagement of several administrations and continues to do so under the management/mismanagement of the Obama administration.
The wars also are a continuation of world pressures and radical Islamic attacks that led to our response to 9/11 (presumabley the war we should be in?) and expanded to Iraq which Obama says is basically over and Biden says is going well (so the "bad" war was a good inheritance.) Guantanamo was not supposed to be an inheritance since "O" said he would simply close it. Recession is an in-and-out that most POTUSes, if they're smart, let run its natural course and don't prolong or exacerbate with opportunistic political meddling (don't let a crisis go to waste). Unemployment expanded under "O" from what he "inherited." The National Debt has been "inherited" by all POTUSes who pass it on to the next, larger than what they "inherited." "O" has already grown the Debt MASSIVELY in less than two years. And he didn't "inherit" the oil disaster.
Now, most of what "O" "inherited" was what he promised to "fix." That is, presumably, what got him elected. So why should he , or any other President, past, present, or future, be coddled for "inheriting" the burdens they promise to fix. If they are attacked by a "they" for lack of focus, . . . then . . . focus.
I do not feel sorry for the executive branch because of its overburdening workload. The POTUSes have brought it on themselves by usurping the powers that were meant for others--other branches of gov. especially powers granted to the States and the People, NOT to the Federal Gvt. and NOT to its executive branch. Wars, YES. Recessions, unemployment, oil disasters, hurricanes, NO. And once having stolen these responsibilities for themselves, it is unseemly to complain about being overburdened, to the point of lacking focus, with the problems that were not meant to be handled by one man and his politically motivated cronies.
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Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?
Previous experience leads me to believe that if you didn't get it the first time there may be no use trying.
Palin is irrelevant. Get over it. My future and my childrens are in obamas hands, the lives of our soliders, obamas hands. And spence, inherited? Who doubled down in afghanistan? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Doubled down telling the opposition when we'd pull out
And yes, Palin is irrelevant.
We suffer from a lack of leadership all over both parties.
Palin is irrelevant. Get over it. My future and my childrens are in obamas hands, the lives of our soliders, obamas hands. And spence, inherited? Who doubled down in afghanistan? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
I got into a discussion over at the other place (scary as it is) where ScottW's political leanings would be equivalent to Spence here....
The berms are a bad IDEA. bad, Bad, bad
From another thread. (Posted by me, so cut-pasted myself)
I can't believe how much play this idea has gotten... the reason they need to study and or NOT DO THIS (and this is just a few off my head as a geologist)
1. There is NOT a huge surplus of sand down there to begin with, hence the severely eroding barrier islands. Just trying to find enough sand will be an issue
2. Dig the holes to get the sand in the wrong place, and you can and will severely increase erosion of the marsh/existing barrier islands in spots, often called erosional hot spots, and they do exist, naturally and from dredging elsewhere on the gulf and Atlantic coast. This will end up causing MORE impact for who knows how long (years) down the road.
3. After the fact you would have MILLIONS of cubic yards of contaminated sand to deal with, in addition to the oil in the marsh now, and oil will continue to get into the marsh, regardless. these berms will be low and will be overtopped by waves
4. it will take MONTHS to build. the time and effort will be better spend intercepting and cleaning up the oil not trying to build a giant 'berm' (they are actually building small barrier islands, not berms). The US estimate is 9 months, the Dutch 4. even if you split the difference and say 6months, and had started them May 1, they are done in NOVEMBER
5. It is foolish to think this is a catch all. all his talk about blocking the oil is BS. it will go over it, the berms will erode, the oil will still be transported, and what oil sits in the sand (sand is permeable after all) will just get moved onshore if there is a hurricane.
Focus on the the clean-up as much up and GET IT OUT of the ecosystem as quickly as possible, period!
clean it as best you can, contain all you can, but don't waste the time, money and effort on a BS design...
will parts of the marsh die, YES is that awful, YES! but will some, probably high percentage of it come back, yes! Will the marsh continue to degrade if these berms are built YES!
I have yet to see an expert come out in favor of it. Louisiana (LSU) has some of the brightest coastal geologists around, and if they were in support of it, I think Jihndal would be trotting them out to the press w/ his nifty pfd....
Just because it is less of a waste of time doesn't mean it is a good idea. put all the barges and personal he would be needing to run skimmers, booms, Costner's pumps, whatever.... the berms will do more long-term harm than good.
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Now, Biden certainly has his share of gaffs, but he's not a stupid man. Sarah Palin is either mentally screwed up or thinking outside the box genius. She really should take some of that book money of hers and hire someone to assist Palin in pulling her head out of her ass.
Damn that Obama for not calling the Dutch back...
Wow, just plain wow.
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