Welcome to 2019, when a congresswoman says “we’re going to impeach the mother——er.”

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Pete you dodged the question once again like Jim said

Horton had nothing to lose committing rape or any other crime while out of prison on furlough
Life is life
If they tack on more years it is still life

Good thing he did not kill you while he was out free

Get it?

How is it ok? Not some know it all bull about recidivism
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I didn’t dodge it
I said I don’t care
That ad was a political tool.
It is the textbook example of a dog whistle ad and you guys are still responding to it.
80 billion dollars a year
The highest imprisonment per capita in the world by far
10 to 1 compared to most of the G20

That add was around 30 years ago and still prevents criminal justice reform
We are not the safest country in the world, if prison was all we needed to do to be safe we should be

Sorry I’d rather live in a free society than an authoritarian one.
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[Slipknot]

me but I am not in charge

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sorry I’d rather live in a free society than an authoritarian one.
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'Free' to you, is a place where people convicted of murder and sentenced to life without parole (which pretty much means your concerns about recidivism are moot) should be able to go out for the weekend, as long as they promise to voluntarily come back on Sunday night?

[PaulS]

I'll apologize to all those Republican snowflakes whose virgin ears got upset over this use of the word.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

'Free' to you, is a place where people convicted of murder and sentenced to life without parole (which pretty much means your concerns about recidivism are moot) should be able to go out for the weekend, as long as they promise to voluntarily come back on Sunday night?

No Jim it’s a nation that is not driven by a mistake made more than 30 years ago that has been made into a false issue that makes reasonable criminal justice reform nearly impossible.
That does not mean make the same mistake again, but to be brave enough to take some chances.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No Jim it’s a nation that is not driven by a mistake made more than 30 years ago that has been made into a false issue that makes reasonable criminal justice reform nearly impossible.
That does not mean make the same mistake again, but to be brave enough to take some chances.
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Apparently Trump was brave enough and took some chances and did what you refer to as nearly impossible by signing a prison reform bill just recently.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No Jim it’s a nation that is not driven by a mistake made more than 30 years ago that has been made into a false issue that makes reasonable criminal justice reform nearly impossible.
That does not mean make the same mistake again, but to be brave enough to take some chances.
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Did the Horton mistake happen 30 years before the ad was made? Or was it recent, at the time the ad was made?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Apparently Trump was brave enough and took some chances and did what you refer to as nearly impossible by signing a prison reform bill just recently.

That didn't get a lot of press either, but that was a bipartisan bill.

[Raider Ronnie]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4588094&type=3
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That didn't get a lot of press either, but that was a bipartisan bill.

Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner (another really bad evil person) was largely instrumental in getting the bill going and twisting congressional arms to get it done.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That didn't get a lot of press either, but that was a bipartisan bill.

got plenty of press,, not the Tump praising kind you long for..

the only thing Trump was involved in was it's signing of the bill ....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner (another really bad evil person) was largely instrumental in getting the bill going and twisting congressional arms to get it done.

Twisting republican arms that is ...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Did the Horton mistake happen 30 years before the ad was made? Or was it recent, at the time the ad was made?

The Willie Horton ad and the Angel Medrano ad both were run in the Bush vs Dukakis campaign by the opposing sides. Both happened prior to the campaign
The policy that allowed Horton to be released was in place prior to Dukakis’s election as governor and changed during his administration after the Horton incident.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

got plenty of press,, not the Tump praising kind you long for..

the only thing Trump was involved in was it's signing of the bill ....

The only thing. Incredible. Without him, it doesn't pass. He is 1/3 of the equation, and without his influence and negotiating for it, the House and Senate would not have approved it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Twisting republican arms that is ...

If the Republican arms weren't twisted, it wouldn't have passed. Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If the Republican arms weren't twisted, it wouldn't have passed. Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

Maybe Trump should have had his son in law do the wall negotiation.
As I understand it Kushner not only got both houses behind criminal justice reform, but also his father in law.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Maybe Trump should have had his son in law do the wall negotiation.
As I understand it Kushner not only got both houses behind criminal justice reform, but also his father in law.

For Gods sake, can you EVER just admit that someone else is right?


The federal government, controlled by the GOP, passed prison reform. is that true, or is that false?

[Sea Dangles]

That tact will not work Jim. It requires honesty.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

That tact will not work Jim. It requires honesty.
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the complete abandonment of honesty, is really something to behold. it’s comoletely deranged.

god help these people
if he gets re elected somehow.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

For Gods sake, can you EVER just admit that someone else is right?


The federal government, controlled by the GOP, passed prison reform. is that true, or is that false?

Did I say that was not true?

Now show me a Criminal Justice reform position from the Trump Campaign?

Who pushed Trump on that issue?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

That tact will not work Jim. It requires honesty.
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i really thought i despised obama, as much as someone who isn’t in a mental institution, could despise a politician. that was nothing. nothing.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

god help these people
if he gets re elected somehow.
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I didn't vote for him the first time, but I might the second time just to watch the continous Sky Screaming followed by the Exploding Heads. Could be quite entertaining.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the complete abandonment of honesty, is really something to behold. it’s comoletely deranged.

god help these people
if he gets re elected somehow.
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You mean like the Willie Horton issue

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did I say that was not true?

Now show me a Criminal Justice reform position from the Trump Campaign?

Who pushed Trump on that issue?

Just goes to show the President can Be influenced to better the country. The man is all ears and has more heart than he lets on.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I didn't vote for him the first time, but I might the second time just to watch the continous Sky Screaming followed by the Exploding Heads. Could be quite entertaining.

if the democrats can manage to nominate a moderate, like the 1992 version of bill clinton, they win a landslide. if they nominate a polarizing radical like Warren, Sanders, or Booker, it might be close.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the complete abandonment of honesty, is really something to behold. it’s comoletely deranged.

god help these people
if he gets re elected somehow.
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If you believe in that statement, I would think you’d be upset about the constant lies and mistruths coming out of the White House. I’m happy to give them credit for passing some good legislation, if he weren’t such a complete ahole and constantly at odds with anyone who disagrees with him, he would likely get more positive press.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If you believe in that statement, I would think you’d be upset about the constant lies and mistruths coming out of the White House. I’m happy to give them credit for passing some good legislation, if he weren’t such a complete ahole and constantly at odds with anyone who disagrees with him, he would likely get more positive press.
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and if you don’t already know that i’m upset with his rhetoric, then you have serious issues with either comprehension or memory.

i have more disdain for trumps moral lapses than most here, and unlike
most of them, that disdain is genuine, it isn’t political. i don’t ignore bad behavior if i agree with the guy doing it.

Trump is repugnant. but in my opinion, the country is far better off with him in there, than we’d be if Hilary won.

you’re happy to praise him when he’s earned it? all you ever say about the economy, is how farbthe market is off its all time
high. how many presidents leave office with the market at an all time high on their last day?

anyone who isn’t doing cartwheels
about the current economy, is likely a pure ideologue. unless you think the debt is too concerning, but that only is genuine if you also expressed concern about the debt under the obama years, and i never heard a single, solitary democrat express such concern.

your notion that he’d get more favorable press treatmentnif he was a decent guy, is absurd. absolutely absurd. tell that to George W, or to McCain until he died. give me a break. The
media can not be favorable, not even fair, to a republican. endless made up attacks.

look at this bullsh*t about how republicans are outraged over the dance video of the socialist from queens. there is no evidence that any republican said anything derogatory about her dancing, but even newsweek put it in a headline, without quoting a single
republican who said they were offended. trump is right, they literally make it up out of thin air if it suits them. how is that wrong?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and if you don’t already know that i’m upset with his rhetoric, then you have serious issues with either comprehension or memory.

i have more disdain for trumps moral lapses than most here, and unlike
most of them, that disdain is genuine, it isn’t political. i don’t ignore bad behavior if i agree with the guy doing it.

Trump is repugnant. but in my opinion, the country is far better off with him in there, than we’d be if Hilary won.

you’re happy to praise him when he’s earned it? all you ever say about the economy, is how farbthe market is off its all time
high. how many presidents leave office with the market at an all time high on their last day?

anyone who isn’t doing cartwheels
about the current economy, is likely a pure ideologue. unless you think the debt is too concerning, but that only is genuine if you also expressed concern about the debt under the obama years, and i never heard a single, solitary democrat express such concern.

your notion that he’d get more favorable press treatmentnif he was a decent guy, is absurd. absolutely absurd. tell that to George W, or to McCain until he died. give me a break. The
media can not be favorable, not even fair, to a republican. endless made up attacks.

look at this bullsh*t about how republicans are outraged over the dance video of the socialist from queens. there is no evidence that any republican said anything derogatory about her dancing, but even newsweek put it in a headline, without quoting a single
republican who said they were offended. trump is right, they literally make it up out of thin air if it suits them. how is that wrong?
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Oh I acknowledge your repeated claim you detest his rhetoric, that is not what I asked. You and others claim you are discusted with a lack of honesty on this board, to which I asked why you don’t have the same discust for the lies coming out of the White House. Saying you don’t like the man, believing the lies and not taking issue with them are two different things. So your ok with Trumps constant lying, provided he is promoting your agenda, but lying ( a stretch at times as opinion and lying aren’t the same ) on this board makes you crazy.

Double standard don’t you think?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Oh I acknowledge your repeated claim you detest his rhetoric, that is not what I asked. You and others claim you are discusted with a lack of honesty on this board, to which I asked why you don’t have the same discust for the lies coming out of the White House. Saying you don’t like the man, believing the lies and not taking issue with them are two different things. So your ok with Trumps constant lying, provided he is promoting your agenda, but lying ( a stretch at times as opinion and lying aren’t the same ) on this board makes you crazy.

Double standard don’t you think?
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It's kinda like a vice versa or backatcha kind of thing.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Oh I acknowledge your repeated claim you detest his rhetoric, that is not what I asked. You and others claim you are discusted with a lack of honesty on this board, to which I asked why you don’t have the same discust for the lies coming out of the White House. Saying you don’t like the man, believing the lies and not taking issue with them are two different things. So your ok with Trumps constant lying, provided he is promoting your agenda, but lying ( a stretch at times as opinion and lying aren’t the same ) on this board makes you crazy.

Double standard don’t you think?
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i don’t believe his lies. zero double standard. zip.

i take issue with his lies. he should
be told to stop lying. that doesn’t mean that i can’t say he’s better at this job, than Hilary.

i’m fair GS. ‘Fair’ means i fault him when he is wrong, and i praise him when he does well. You think fair means ignore all the good and focus on the bad.

i didn’t elect him to be the morality czar, or to date my mother. i voted for him to kill terrorists and grow the economy. and to build a wall.

here’s the double standard. there’s video of schumer and bernie saying we need a wall, the democrats once voted for a bill that included 13 billion for a wall. it was a swell idea then. but now, because we hate trump, it’s immoral.

so because illegal crossings are at a low, that means we don’t need a wall? violent crime is also down, would you say we no longer need the police?

a wall will further reduce crossings. if you deny that, you’re not rational.
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