Children as chess pieces

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Abolish the police !
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John is starting to resemble a later season Robert Heinlein these days.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Oh lord

Originally Posted by Nebe

Abolish the police !
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Awwwww, look at you two celebrating Pride Month with an internet Reach Around

[Jim in CT]

and i would never, ever have voted for him in a primary. not in a million years. but i plugged my nose and cited for him in the general.

his behavior is the most outlandish of any potus in my lifetime. combined with the fact that he made everyone in the left ( as well as myself) look idiotic by annihilating someone we all said was unbeatable, and it’s clear why they despise him so much. he humiliated us. the hate is everywhere.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

And more demented logic at work.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/busin...rnd/index.html

Dems: "These Children have no Beds, we need to get them beds"

BCFS: "We just ordered $200,000 worth of beds to help them"

Dems: "We will walk out on you if you sell them beds"

Brilliant

[Sea Dangles]

This makes sense to #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This makes sense to #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s
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is this real? not made up? they complain about conditions, then complain when we try to improve conditions?

ya gotta love liberal logic.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is this real? not made up? they complain about conditions, then complain when we try to improve conditions?

ya gotta love liberal logic.
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Now who is using children as pawns?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Now who is using children as pawns?

gee, when you put it that way, it almost makes their outrage ( which didn’t exist when obama put children in cages), seem, well, less than fully sincere??


I also see that AOC is encouraging the employees to strike. Good for her.
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[FishermanTim]

It boils down to one simple fact...you can't win when arguing about this topic.
If you're right, you're still wrong because someone will not like that you are right.
If you are wrong then someone else will constantly remind you of this (probable) ONE TIME you were wrong as if it were the standard of your life and thought process.

As for the bed issue, who's to say that these kids don't have (or did have) nice beds but had them removed in order to "create" this issue? What if they had beds but the drug-running mules that were paid to try and get them over the border TOOK them from them?
You know, thieves stealing from children/easy targets?

We seem to be force fed tailored stories and events with manufactured facts in order to elicit a desired response, usually from the weak willed and feeble-minded sheep of the world.

That's how it seems to me.

[Jim in CT]

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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funny how that works...

https://www.businessinsider.com/immi...sp3hZWFQc81opQ

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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You really are just that blind.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You really are just that blind.

log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time. None. Because you and the
media were too busy getting weak in the knees every time obama
spoke, to hold him accountable for
anything. But the second Trump took the oath, Bam, then you started caring.

Make. That. Wrong.
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[Pete F.]

This thread is like the middle school argument from my childhood: "your mother wears army boots", "No, your's does".

On the Trumpist right the response has been to simultaneously deny that Trump is heartless and cruel and then claim in the same breath that Obama did all of this heartless and cruel stuff first, meanwhile the Democrats are claiming to be virgins.

Never mind that the real answer is that immigration is a complex problem that warrants a serious bipartisan commitment to working toward solutions like codifying DACA, coming up with common sense policies on visas and legal immigration, and, oh, maybe, ending the war on drugs that has trashed countries like Honduras and El Salvador. Just spitballing here.

https://thebulwark.com/its-hypocrisy-all-the-way-down/

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.

It was an observation.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time.

The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It was an observation.


The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

i freely admit, because it’s true, trump expanded obama’s policy of kids in cages, he’s doing it
more often.

so what you’re saying then, is that a certain number of kids in cages is acceptable to the left. and by a stunning coincidence, obama
was below that number, and trump
is above that number. shocker...

obama could have started construction, way back
in 2014, of an acceptable facility capable of holding tens of thousands. he did
nothing. neither has trump. they both deserve an F on immigration.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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Go research the numbers for the past administrations and then this past year and then the difference will be clear (at least to many); policies have increased the flow.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Go research the numbers for the past administrations and then this past year and then the difference will be clear (at least to many); policies have increased the flow.
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which trump policies have increased the flow, exactly? You’re the one who said Trump has hurt our standing in the world. if he did in fact do that, why would
more people want to come here? i thought he was a racist who hated latinos, so why in gods name would he enact policies to encourage more of them to come here?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

which trump policies have increased the flow, exactly? You’re the one who said Trump has hurt our standing in the world. if he did in fact do that, why would
more people want to come here? i thought he was a racist who hated latinos, so why in gods name would he enact policies to encourage more of them to come here?
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Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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ahh. so because trump
thinks immigrants should
come legally, he’s responsible for the rush. so trump should say to
the world, “i’ll
turn a blind eye to this as
my predecessors have done, so there’s no reason for
any of
you to feel the need to come
now.”


i would. never say obama started it. i said trump didn’t start it. and i said obama did zip to improve it, as trump. is doing zip.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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never said obama started it. i said trump didn’t start it, and i said
neither did anything to stop it.

you’re blaming trump
for the increase, because people get a sense that he's the first potus who will enforce the law? maybe that’s true, but it’s not a flaw.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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If this is true #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& logic we are certainly doomed. 4 more years.

I guess the welcome mat Obama put out wasn’t enough incentive 🤡
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[Jim in CT]

you forgot securing the border in some fashion. how did our war on drugs, trash honduras and el salvador? that’s a sincere question...
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[Pete F.]

Drug trafficking adds to the violence. U.S.-led interdiction efforts in Colombia, Mexico, and the Caribbean have pushed trafficking routes into Central America, and U.S. officials report that 90 percent of documented cocaine flows into the United States now pass through the region. DTOs sometimes partner with maras to transport and distribute narcotics, sparking turf wars. In addition to the drug trade and extortion, criminal groups in the region also profit from kidnapping for ransom and human trafficking and smuggling.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/cen...thern-triangle

[Sea Dangles]

PeteF chooses to ignore such a policy already exists,it was just not enforced with vigor.He just wants a new policy introduced so he can blame Trump for this mess he inherited.
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[Raider Ronnie]

Oh the children, we’ve got to take care of them.......
Coming from the party that’s all about abortion, and celebrate being able to kill them right up to birth @ 9 months 😤
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