A Day Without Immigrants! - Page 3 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Skitterpop · 05-01-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

You and I are LEGAL, our familys came to this country by following the rules and doing it through the legal proccess. Can't say the same thing about the mexicans hopping the fences now can we? This is NOT about LEGAL imigrants!! this is about ILLEGAL imigrants who dont follow the law of the US. Why is this so hard for people to understand???

Its so simple yet folks make it so freakin complicated. Or they are PC people who are afraid they might offend someone. I think that is the most likely scenerio.

No..... we just slaughtered and infected with diseases the people who lived here for thousands and thousands of years before WE DISCOVERED AMERICA.

spence · 05-01-2006, 01:35 PM

Being a member of the Cherokee Tribe I can relate to that remark

-spence

jnski · 05-01-2006, 02:02 PM

I didn't read all of the thread, but one part I did read hit a nerve with me. Someone stated that illegals do not suck the system dry and contribute over 80 billion dollars to our system. Let me enlighten the healthcare aspect of this. I work in a huge hospital, the majority of trauma patients due to a fall from a rooftop, ladder, etc. are day laborers. These people incur huge medical bills, staggering to say the least. I now work in the outpatient orthopedic facility for the same hospital, and the amount of patients that are seen here is insane, most of them follow-up to those traumatic falls mentioned. Who foots the bill for these people? You and me, our medical insurance. This is one hospital of the thousands around the country where I am sure the same occurs on a daily basis. Another observation is the "free clinic" that is offered to those without insurance a few times per month where I work. Guess what the majority of the patients are?
you guessed it. Not a word of english, not a thank you, not a smile.
The vast majority of these people want everything without contributing anything.
These patients make things very difficult for all involved. The MD getting called in to screw this guys leg together. The support staff that needs to be called in to help the MD. The hospital workers that need to take extra time to care for these people due to the language barrier. The list goes on and on. I am not saying that these people should not be cared for, I am a compassionate human being, and want no one to suffer, but the big picture is the fact that they are here, and get sick and hurt, and we care for them in these situations, losing time and money in the process. If they weren't here, it wouldn't be a problem.

spence · 05-01-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jnski

I didn't read all of the thread, but one part I did read hit a nerve with me. Someone stated that illegals do not suck the system dry and contribute over 80 billion dollars to our system.

I don't think anybody has stated either...

-spence

BigFish · 05-01-2006, 02:05 PM

You did Spence.

And after re-reading that post it also states that we are ignoring reality?

stiff tip · 05-01-2006, 02:12 PM

as a red blooded mashpee wampanog injin. ????....all of you go back where you came from ...your all a bunch of imigrants....ug....

MAC · 05-01-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

No..... we just slaughtered and infected with diseases the people who lived here for thousands and thousands of years before WE DISCOVERED AMERICA.

True, But the Nature of Mankind was always "Devide and Conquer". Which pretty much goes back to the cave people days.

BigFish · 05-01-2006, 02:14 PM

I am right where I came from.

spence · 05-01-2006, 02:16 PM

No I didn't...

I've affirmed that illegals do suck on the system, and it's while it's worse in some areas than others... it's certianly not s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g "the system dry".

The stat I threw out was 50, not 80. And even that figure is relative...the poing being that there is a tremendous contribution that's not being considered in your reasoning...

Your facts are not so straight

-spence

BigFish · 05-01-2006, 02:19 PM

Your first post on page 3 says it quite plainly....or maybe I just can't read? 50...80...relative to what???....Don't throw numbers around when you don't have them nailed down....if you don't have the facts then don't post the info!

You throw out "ballpark" numbers and our facts are not straight???? Come on Spence.....wish you had the ability to correst your comments right about now?

Karl F · 05-01-2006, 02:34 PM

No Worries Skittah.... redman sold the whiteman Manhattan for 26 bucks and some beads, and been getting shafted for years, yes... but...... gonna win the whole thing back a thousand fold at the casinos... Ka-Ching .... stiffy... you say that till ya get yer casino... then it'll be come on down suckah

...

all my relatives came thru Eliis Island, early 1900's... but I get grouped into the blame for Indians troubles and Slaves troubles.. nice deal.. my ancestors was endutured servants all over Europe.. My Grandfather had to do his tour of duty for the army, plus all of his father's boss's kids time.. then work off his dad's debt to the landowner.. then he hightailed it for USA, figgered it had to be better, never looked back...

jnski.. good points... and health care ins. is going up quicker than gasoline... cause of the insured, picking up the tab for the uninsured...

spence · 05-01-2006, 02:45 PM

I don't think you can read...you're the one who said

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The illegal immigrants are benifiting from this country and they do not contribute anything in return.

Which is simply absurd...

Regarding tax contributions. I freely admit my statement was based on potentially pro-immigration comments I heard, and as such I don't know how it was computed...

But that doesn't diminish its relative merrit, as I not arguing there's parity...Rather that illegal workers do make a substantial tax contribution. There's no need for a correction, and I've freely added the proper context.

I have read that it's estimated illegals pay up to 7 Billion in Social Security taxes alone yearly, and this doesn't factor in Medicare, state, sales or property taxes which would add considerably. Much of this they see no benefit from.

Nor does it calculate the benefit you receive from potentially low wage workers helping to deliver services and products at a lower cost to you because of a lower standard of living or other basic care being subsidized by other people...

You're still dodging the issue, illegals do contribute and that has to be factored into the solution.

-spence

Jimbo · 05-01-2006, 02:49 PM

I've been following this thread with mild curiosity all day, and wow, some interesting perspectives out there. I love watching it unfold when someone justifys and bashes an entire country over what is undeniably the actions of a few. I've done some serious hospital time with one of my kids over the past two years, and I gotta tell ya, being one of the few caucasion families in a packed waiting room, I never once considered the fact that I was the only paying customer there. Unless you're on line behind them, how do you tell which ones are paying and which can't? Do they look different? Hey, do you think "they" can tell which white folks are bilking the system and which are paying? Who would have thought?! I almost feel bad now, that when "those people" were shuffling their papers back and forth and filling out forms with the registrar while trying to calm some absolutely adorable, but very scared and very sick child, that I didn't stand up and shout, "Hey, Javier, 'Give me your tired, your poor, your sick, your huddled masses' doesn't mean you guys who try to sneak in the back door undetected, so go back to the pueblo." Yea right. But getting back to my first point, it seems like more than a few in this thread have no use for either Brazil or Mexico, in their entirety, mind you, and I just hope the moderators here are not so influenced by that line of thinking that they discourage S-B associates from celebrating Cinco de Mayo this Friday.

Skitterpop · 05-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Lest get everyone from S-B and SOL and sneak onto Mexico next Friday. Stay awhile and get a tan then head for Brazil

Soon the boards will be bare of posts with the bigger fish coming home and passing through

Surfcastinglife · 05-01-2006, 03:23 PM

gas is cheaper in brazil, they are self-sufficient when it comes to oil, produce 100% of what they use :P plus the beaches and fishing are better! lets move there

OH! and you wont even need to go in illegally, it's easy to get a visa

ThrowingTimber · 05-01-2006, 03:41 PM

Ward... coming june... golly geez beav....

Spence, good dialog

ScottC · 05-01-2006, 03:42 PM

Hey jimbo, I am 80% Portuguese, which is basicly Brazilian. No one in this thread has some much as hinted racisim, nor has anyone said, or even insinuated that they hate anyone.

The healthcare statments that others made were based on statistics, not sitiing in the loby and making a judgment call because there is a lot of mexicans there. And although we are not bashing a whole country, the Mexican government is largey to blame, they actually put out a damn flyer explaining the best way to get here illegally!

How come Canadiens are not running for the border? Mexico is run by crooked morons. How is it possible to have a third world country in our back yard when NAFTA exists?

The biggest downfall of allowing illegal imigration, is that instead of haveing to stay, and maybe start a revolution against thier crooked govenment, they simply run away. The problem, is that the Mexican revoloutionary army is in the USA cutting our grass. If we kick them all out, and build a wall so they can't run anymore, they will not put up with the government, especially seeing they already had a taste of freedom.

Surfcastinglife · 05-01-2006, 04:04 PM

portuguese is as much brazillian as british is american

ScottC · 05-01-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfcastinglife

portuguese is as much brazillian as british is american

Hahah, there are more portuguese in brazil then in Portugal haha My family tree has so many of both that it's really hard to tell where everyone started out. It is not like over here, where you ask someone who's faminly has been here for 300 years what they are, and they say English ahaha, yeah right. And it strikes me funny how some say your not american unless your indian, why it this? Is this because we know exactly were we came from and when we got here? In that case, indians are not Americans, they are canadiens. I watched a show on discovery that claims indians migrated here from the far north. At what point do we call ourselves what we are? If you live here and pay your taxes, your an American, if you go to your so called "mother country", they will call you American as well, and probably a few other names hahah.

And if anyone wants to try to take thier country back, let them. How many indians today can live the way they did before it ws taken over? I worked with a black guy who went back to Africa to see where he came from, he said he would never go back, why would he? We are all americans, unless ofcourse you're here illegally, then your a criminal.

Raven · 05-01-2006, 04:47 PM

friday is get drunk day....

a little tequila ,

some lemons, and a couple of six packs of corona...

Backbeach Jake · 05-01-2006, 04:52 PM

From where I sit , I see a lot of folks coming here for a better life. They may be illegal, But our Government gives a nod and wink to Big Business whenever their legality comes up. Why? Because they compete with Legal Labor. They are our competition.They keep our wages in check. I don't hate them for it , they're taking what they can get. I AM pissed at out Government for allowing this to happen to keep us devided among our selves. The middle working class is disappearing in this Country and we're rapidly turning into Wealthy/Peasants. No Middle Class. We work harder and harder and get less and less. Because our illegal competition does without complaint. For my two cents, we all shoulda been in the streets today. We all deserve better.

MAC · 05-01-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

From where I sit , I see a lot of folks coming here for a better life. They may be illegal, But our Government gives a nod and wink to Big Business whenever their legality comes up. Why? Because they compete with Legal Labor. They are our competition.They keep our wages in check. I don't hate them for it , they're taking what they can get. I AM pissed at out Government for allowing this to happen to keep us devided among our selves. The middle working class is disappearing in this Country and we're rapidly turning into Wealthy/Peasants. No Middle Class. We work harder and harder and get less and less. Because our illegal competition does without complaint. For my two cents, we all shoulda been in the streets today. We all deserve better.

You hit the nail on the head Fred. (a little carpenter humor) Soon it will be the "HAVES" and the "HAVE NOTS". And guess where the average blue collar guy will be.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against anyone here legally. My mothers side of the family came here in 1634. And my fathers side came here in the 1800s. We are all of immigrant descent wether it be 2 years ago or 300 years ago. The big difference is that they stayed and made this home. They didn't just come here to make a bunch of "duckets" and skedaddle home to live more comfortably than their neighbors.

stripersnipr · 05-01-2006, 05:31 PM

Why do some people refuse to use the word illegal when talking about criminals who have purposely defied and violated our immigration laws by entering our country ILLEGALY? Its a slap in the face to those who have entered our country through the rightful process and "contribute" in an above board manner.

Backbeach Jake · 05-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Stripersnipr, this is how they devide us. The law says that they are illegal. Those in power do absolutely nothing about it and as a matter of fact they encourage it back handedly. We legals are outraged that they are here not that we're getting screwed. We're being PLAYED against one another. All they want is a chance. Just a shot at a better life. And our politicians(whores) are selling themselves , the illegals , and us.

freeballin · 05-01-2006, 07:21 PM

Big Deal..... My kid FINALLY got to use the NEW Lawnmower......

Kadywampus · 05-01-2006, 08:52 PM

How about this as law ?

Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country , no unskilled laborers will be allowed in .
Immigrants may purchase property but locations and availability are limited .Ocean front property is restricted to citizens born in the country.
Immigrants cannot vote or be elected to any public office.
Immigrants cannot collect any type of Government assistance.
Immigrants cannot protest Government policies or the President.
Immigrants cannot display the flag of a foreign country .
Any Immigrant who enters the country illegally will be imprisoned .

This is the law in Mexico .

Kadywampus · 05-01-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kadywampus

How about this as law ?

Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country , no unskilled laborers will be allowed in .
Immigrants may purchase property but locations and availability are limited .Ocean front property is restricted to citizens born in the country.
Immigrants cannot vote or be elected to any public office.
Immigrants cannot collect any type of Government assistance.
Immigrants cannot protest Government policies or the President.
Immigrants cannot display the flag of a foreign country .
Any Immigrant who enters the country illegally will be imprisoned .

This is the law in Mexico .

And this is the law for LEGAL immigrants .

The Dad Fisherman · 05-01-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

Ward... coming june... golly geez beav....

Spence, good dialog

Dirtiest thing ever said on TV "Gee Ward....you were awfully hard on the Beaver last night"

Skip N · 05-02-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

No..... we just slaughtered and infected with diseases the people who lived here for thousands and thousands of years before WE DISCOVERED AMERICA.

So leave America if you feel so guilty about it? The issue at hand has nothing to do with native americans or whatever. The issue at hand is people breaking the current laws of the US, and sticking it in the ass of imigrants who do it the legal way.

If your standing at the checkout at Stop&Shop, and 15 people with full shopping carts cut in front of you and look back and laugh at you becuase they just screwed you over you'd be pissed too. This is excactlly what the Illegals are doing, they are cutting in front of the line and flipping you off as they do it. And they could care less becuase people like you and others encourage them to cut in line and %$%$%$%$ over the good imigrants doing it the right way. Its dissgraceful that people condone this behavior.

Skip N · 05-02-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Why do some people refuse to use the word illegal when talking about criminals who have purposely defied and violated our immigration laws by entering our country ILLEGALY? Its a slap in the face to those who have entered our country through the rightful process and "contribute" in an above board manner.

Right on Bro

They dont use the ILLEGAL word becuase it doesnt fit thier agenda. They know damn well what this debate is about, but they try an lump all imigrants in with the Illegals. Anyone who talks like you stated is a disshonest liar. People see right through thier lies thankfully. Well most of us do anyway....