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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Because to you, Hilary Clinton is probably your idea of middle of the road.

Why don't you go ask your hero.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

someone asked if your mom worked at a truck stop and you cried like a little girl. So let's not talk about delicate sensibilities. I take more crap than anyone here. I was raised not to call people whores but I guess not everyone was raised that way I guess.

You left out the part about what he claimed she did there.

Cried? Whereas you go tattling to TDF nonstop nowadays, when TDF brought this up, I specifically told him not to worry about it. Then I told Pete very very specifically, what I thought of him. That's crying like a girl? Or is that handling it like a man? Maybe you can't tell the difference anymore.

I think if you went back and read the types of posts you used to make (fact-based, clear, challenging, accurate), you wouldn't recognize the posts you make now.

"I take more crap than anyone here"

You're pretty comfortable dishing it out.

"I was raised not to call people whores '

And I was raised to believe it's OK to call a spade a spade. The democrats who ruined this state, and got rich doing it, don't deserve any niceties in my book. If the best you can do is call me out for my rough edges, we can all assume that you can't challenge my facts or conclusions.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why don't you go ask your hero.

My Dad?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

He basically doesn't comment and he is not middle of the road.

I’m not?? That’s news to me.

Maybe if the road would stop meandering, I may have a better chance of staying in the center lane.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I’m not?? That’s news to me.

Maybe if the road would stop meandering, I may have a better chance of staying in the center lane.
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Just shut one eye and aim for the curb, you'll be fine

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I’m not?? That’s news to me.

Maybe if the road would stop meandering, I may have a better chance of staying in the center lane.
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Never saw you post anything remotely positive to the Dems. in ages.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You left out the part about what he claimed she did there.

Cried? Whereas you go tattling to TDF nonstop nowadays, when TDF brought this up, I specifically told him not to worry about it. Then I told Pete very very specifically, what I thought of him. That's crying like a girl? Or is that handling it like a man? Maybe you can't tell the difference anymore.

I think if you went back and read the types of posts you used to make (fact-based, clear, challenging, accurate), you wouldn't recognize the posts you make now.I just see no need to remain above it all. So you want to insult me, I'll insult you back.

"I take more crap than anyone here"

You're pretty comfortable dishing it out.You would have difficulty finding any posts that I started the rude, classless behavior that is here everyday.

"I was raised not to call people whores '

And I was raised to believe it's OK to call a spade a spade. The democrats who ruined this state,but it is the conservatives who have their hands in other people's pockets and accept $ and then criticize the people giving them the $. Maybe you should re-examine your use of the word whore. and got rich doing it, don't deserve any niceties in my book. If the best you can do is call me out for my rough edges, we can all assume that you can't challenge my facts or conclusions.

Your whole premise is wrong. The cons. states should be called the whores (to use your vile term) as they can't pay their own way but want the liberal states to give them $.

Yup, as I said - classy guy. Calling Dems. whores bc you don't like their politics.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Never saw you post anything remotely positive to the Dems. in ages.

How often do you see me posting positive stuff about Republicans?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

How often do you see me posting positive stuff about Republicans?
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once and a while. Your comments are more neg. to the Dems. If I'm wrong - sorry.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Your whole premise is wrong. The cons. states should be called the whores (to use your vile term) as they can't pay their own way but want the liberal states to give them $.

Yup, as I said - classy guy. Calling Dems. whores bc you don't like their politics.

"it is the conservatives who have their hands in other people's pockets"

Not in this state. If you're talking about the feds, the democrats controlled both houses of the legislature not long ago, and they didn't fix the federal shift of money from wealthy areas to poor areas. So I'm not sure you can say that's only a conservative issue. The democrats had ample opportunity to change that and didn't.

Paul, are you in favor of federal income tax collected for state residents, to stay in that state? You don't think we should subsidize poor states? How about states that have massive military bases, CT doesn't have a responsibility to fund a portion of those?

"Calling Dems. whores bc you don't like their politics. "

If by "politics" you mean taxing us to death and then looting that tax revenue for themselves and their union benefactors, you're right, I don't like their politics.

You don't like the word whore, you can't get past it. I'm sorry, Paul. You can't make my conclusion wrong, all you can do is object to the word I use to describe it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

How often do you see me posting positive stuff about Republicans?
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We all call you Sean Hannity II.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"it is the conservatives who have their hands in other people's pockets"

Not in this state. If you're talking about the feds, the democrats controlled both houses of the legislature not long ago, and they didn't fix the federal shift of money from wealthy areas to poor areas. So I'm not sure you can say that's only a conservative issue. The democrats had ample opportunity to change that and didn't.

Paul, are you in favor of federal income tax collected for state residents, to stay in that state? You don't think we should subsidize poor states? How about states that have massive military bases, CT doesn't have a responsibility to fund a portion of those?I never said that all taxes have to stay in the state and am all for helping out other states/people. But to not recognize that money is flowing from the richer liberal states to the poorer conservatives states is asinine. Never mind that McConnell basically just told the liberal states who are bearing the brunt of the coronavirus that you are out of luck is just plan insulting.

"Calling Dems. whores bc you don't like their politics. "

If by "politics" you mean taxing us to death and then looting that tax revenue for themselves and their union benefactors, you're right, I don't like their politics. It is paying state ees a living wage. Look at the salaries the teachers were protesting 1-2 years ago in the conserve. states. Teachers getting paid $30k and then spending some of their sal. on supplies. You get what you pay for and that is why many of those states educ. systems stink.
You don't like the word whore, you can't get past it. I'm sorry, Paul. You can't make my conclusion wrong, all you can do is object to the word I use to describe it?

I've pointed out how your conclusion is totally wrong. I've always posted many stats here how the liberal states are much better than the conserve. states on a lot of things other than taxes.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've pointed out how your conclusion is totally wrong. I've always posted many stats here how the liberal states are much better than the conserve. states on a lot of things other than taxes.

"am all for helping out other states/people"

I know you are, I do.

"But to not recognize that money is flowing from the richer liberal states to the poorer conservatives states is asinine"

I also agree with that. But in this case, what set McConnell off, was a state senator in IL asking for money specifically to fund state pensions. That's a state issue, not a federal issue.

The states with good balance sheets didn't get there easily, you have to make tough choices to pull that off. Our state made different choices, and we own 100% of the responsibilities for that.

I'm not sure it's KY's fault (entirely) that it's not like us. To a fair extent, our wealth comes from our blind luck of being so close to Manhattan. That's an oversimplification, as people in KY are more likely to make choices that lead to poverty than people in CT are. But for sure, we did hit the lottery by virtue of being a state with nice coastline that's commutable to Manhattan. Did we earn that, or was it blind luck?

Before the income tax, CT was known as "the land of steady habits", because we did so many things right. Then we had income tax revenue, and casino revenue, and it was ringing the dinner bell for the crooks in the union and their stooges in the legislature, most of whom are democrats. Now we are the land of the spending orgy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've pointed out how your conclusion is totally wrong. that's your perception


I've always posted many stats here how the liberal states are much better than the conserve. states on a lot of things other than taxes.

the essence of modern American liberalism is that the modern American liberals are better people...so this makes perfect sense

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I’m not?? That’s news to me.

Maybe if the road would stop meandering, I may have a better chance of staying in the center lane.
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Wayne and Spence are the moderate centrists here...after that it's a scramble

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

once and a while. Your comments are more neg. to the Dems. If I'm wrong - sorry.

I'm registered as an Unaffiliated voter. Each side has certain policies I lean towards.

I didn't vote for Trump, and I didn't vote for Hillary

The cast of characters that the democrats paraded out for the 2020 primaries was as equally nauseating as the cast of characters the republicans paraded out in 2016.

In all honestly I probably skew 60%-40% con/lib.

I call that pretty middle of the road

If they had a dis-heartened party I'd probably be registered there.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've always posted many stats here how the liberal states are much better than the conserve. states on a lot of things other than taxes.

And you usually leave out cost. Comparing CT with other states without considering cost, is like evaluating the maiden voyage of the Titanic without considering the iceberg. The paint was fresh. The linens were clean. I assume the bathrooms were clean as a whistle. But, …

I also don't know that comparing an entire state is the answer, as every state has lousy areas. But some states have specific areas, where the quality of life is very much like what we enjoy in the CT suburbs, at nowhere near the cost.

I will concede there are more places in SC where I would never want to live, than there are places in CT. On average, I'd say CT has a higher quality of life. But there are specific places in SC where the quality of life is comparable to that in nice upper-middle-class CT suburbs, and you can put hundreds of dollars a month in your pocket in tax savings. That's real. That's true. People are realizing that, and leaving. As we continue to increase taxes, more will flee. It's called the death spiral, a self-perpetuating cycle of increasing expenditures and declining revenues. Almost impossible to stop.

Anyway, if you're honest, you'll admit that there are nice suburbs in places like the Carolinas and TN that are also much cheaper than CT. Sure those states have crappy places, but they also offer some places that are nice and cheap. CT offers exactly zero such places. That's why our population exodus is among the highest in the nation. It's likely to get worse.

When people decide where to live, I don't know how much weight they give to statewide averages of things like education and median oncome. I think they care more about local scores in those metrics. My brother lives in Franklin, TN, a beautiful suburb of Nashville. If you were there, you might think you were in Cheshire, CT or Simsbury CT. Everything is new and clean, and they can't build $500,000 houses fast enough. I don't think people who are moving there, care much about what's happening 200 miles away in coal country and in dirt poor areas. I live in Southington, which borders Meriden. I wouldn't live in Meriden if you put gun to my head. But the problems there, don't impact me here. I don't especially care what happens there.

The proof is in the pudding. Despite all of CT's natural beauty, its convenience, and all it has to offer, people are fleeing. And it's not the deadbeats and welfare queens who are fleeing. It's people who are self sufficient, the exact kind of people we need to stay. They are packing up and moving.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

the essence of modern American liberalism is that the modern American liberals are better people...so this makes perfect sense

Thanks for your thoughts. It means a lot.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I'm registered as an Unaffiliated voter. Each side has certain policies I lean towards.

I didn't vote for Trump, and I didn't vote for Hillary

The cast of characters that the democrats paraded out for the 2020 primaries was as equally nauseating as the cast of characters the republicans paraded out in 2016.

In all honestly I probably skew 60%-40% con/lib.

I call that pretty middle of the road

If they had a dis-heartened party I'd probably be registered there.
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At this point in my life I think I still may have voted for more Rs in Pres. elections than Ds - it might be 50/50.

I also have voted for more Rs for gov. of Ct.

On both counts, over the last 10 - 15 years it has been all D.

I voted R for the town's 1st selectman.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

At this point in my life I think I still may have voted for more Rs in Pres. elections than Ds - it might be 50/50.

I also have voted for more Rs for gov. of Ct.

On both counts, over the last 10 - 15 years it has been all D.

I voted R for the town's 1st selectman.

That's an interesting breakdown. What were the reasons that you voted for Republicans? And what are the reasons that you now vote strictly Democrat? Were the reasons that you did vote for Republicans the same reasons that you now vote Democrat?