NC bathroom law

[Jim in CT]

The feds gave the governor 3 working days to repeal their bathroom law. Once again, it appears that the Obama administration needs to take high school civics, because the governor cannot unilaterally repeal a duly constituted law. The legislature needs to do that before he signs it.

3 days is also ridiculous. The governor asked for an extension. The feds agreed to give him a one week extension, ONLY IF the governor would acknowledge that his law was discriminatory. That's how this administration behaves...they will consider your rights, as long as you go on TV and admit they you were a bigot for daring to disagree with them.

As I understand it, the Civil Rights Act gives the feds the authority to prevent discrimination "based on sex". Well, for 235 years in this country, we always presumed that sex was determined by whether or not you were born with a wee-wee. The state of NC wants to have public bathrooms by sex. Everyone of one sex uses one restroom, everyone of the other sex uses the other restroom. We now live in an age, where that thought is at best controversial, at worst it's hatemongering.

You can choose what clothes to wear. You can choose how to wear your hair. You can choose whom to be romantically involved with. You cannot choose your sex, it's in the DNA you were born with.

I cannot believe we are even having this national conversation, and I honestly don't know what unites us as a country anymore.

And for the Obama administration to withhold an extension unless the governor went on TV and allowed them to throw eggs at his face...well, Obama's pettiness and vindictiveness never ceases to amaze. A world class azzhole.

[Fishpart]

Seems a clear violation of the 10th Ammendment, as this is clearly a State issue. Where is Congress on this issue? or is this an example of the executive branch using it's influence and then using a court decision to turn executive action into law?
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[Jim in CT]

Congress (even when controlled by the Dems) has been petitioned to modify the Civil Rights Act, to include transgenders as a protected class. Congress, even when controlled by the Dems, chose not to do so.

Obama has never been discouraged by silly little annoying obstacles such as the Constitution, and when the wheels of democracy aren't moving fast enough, he is willing to give totalitarianism a try.

How can anyone not be outraged by the offer of an extension, with the condition that the governor publicly acknowledge being a bigot? Where does it say that conservatives have to publicly humiliate themselves, in order to have the right to petition for reddress of grievences?

AND HOW IS IT SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION to say that if your sex is 'male', you use the men's room?

My 9 year old chooses to identify as a bird. Therefore, I want the ACLU to sue my town's board of education, because he is not being accommodated. I want him to sit at a nest instead of a desk, and I want earthworms added to the cefeteria menu.

See how stupid that sounds? We cannot all bend over backwards and turn our moral compass (what's left of it) upside down, in order to accommodate every single conceiveable human impulse.

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

See how stupid that sounds? We cannot all bend over backwards and turn our moral compass (what's left of it) upside down, in order to accommodate every single conceiveable human impulse.

Well that makes you a close minded, insensitive racist pig. You should cater your life around the .0000001% of society who are gender confused.

[Nebe]

a gay, a tranny and a baker go into a bar.... Jim was glued to the window to see what happened next.
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[Jim in CT]

If I was governor of NC, I would pen this letter to AG Loretta Lynch..

Ms Lynch, I received your leter demanding that I comply with your agenda or face the forfeiture of federal funding.

I have a beter idea - go &*#! yourself. We would rather drive on bumpy roads and maintain our grip on reality and decency, than embrace insanity and climb in bed with crazy tyrants like you. Unlike the liberal areas of the country, people and businesses are flocking to NC, and our economy is growing like crazy, and we cannot build houses fast enough for the tax refugees seeking asylum here. So it appears we don't need you nearly enough to accept these strong arm tactics.

[spence]

Jim, is your wife a bird?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, is your wife a bird?
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Nope. Now can you answer a question?

Spence, is someone born with a donger and male DNA, who wears a wig and a dress, a woman? Yes or no. The answer is hell, no.

Spence, how do you like Obama telling the NC Governor, that he can only get an extension if he agrees to walk around with a dunce cap? Because if it's OK for Obama to do that, than it's OK for Trump (pretend he gets elected) to do it, too. I suspect you'd have HUGE issues (or should I say yuuge issues) with Trump employing this tactic against liberals who act stupidly.

The civil rights act says the feds can prevent discrimination on the basis of sex. No sane person can argue that the NC law (which says all men use one bathroom, all women use the other) discriminates against anyone based on their sex.

If I 'choose to identify' as someone who gets all his income from capital gains, doe sthat mean Obama's IRS will let me pay the (lower) capital gains tax rate on my income?

You don't choose your sex. You can disguise it, and you should have the right to do so, if it makes you feel good. But you cannot change the sex you were born with, and that is irrefutable fact. It's in your DNA, and no amount of makeup or surgical mutilation can ever make that wrong.

And the comparisons to Jim Crow laws are beyond ridiculous. If I have a wee-wee, telling me that I must use a mens room (in public only), is morally equivalent to turning firehouses and German Shephards on huge numbers of people? Yeah that makes a ton of sense.

[scottw]

I'm still trying to figure out...when Bruce Jenner says she's not gay...does that mean his Johnson is attracted to women and not men or her boobs are attracted to men and not women?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm still trying to figure out...when Bruce Jenner says she's not gay...does that mean his Johnson is attracted to women and not men or her boobs are attracted to men and not women?

They problem here is you sit and worry about these people.

Worry about yourself.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

They problem here is you sit and worry about these people.

Worry about yourself.
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I'm not worrying...just curious...if I don't figure these things out and come to the proper conclusions, I'll be branded all sorts of horrible things....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, is your wife a bird?
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No, she is not a bird. Even if she dresses in feathers and puts on a beak, and says she is a bird, she is not a bird.

But she is just as close to being a bird, as I am to being a woman, if I put on a dress and a wig, and declare that I am a woman.

In that scenario, she and I would be equally wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, she is not a bird. Even if she dresses in feathers and puts on a beak, and says she is a bird, she is not a bird.

But she is just as close to being a bird, as I am to being a woman, if I put on a dress and a wig, and declare that I am a woman.

Ok this is freakishly detailed.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok this is freakishly detailed.
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Detailed yes. Wrong, no.

[wdmso]

More manufactured Outrage who cares who is in the stall next to you.. so Men are you Afraid of a Female transgender person who looks like a guy using the stall or do we think their going to whip their a shewee at the urinal?? or is just about men dressed as women in a women's rest room... some college's have uni sex bathrooms

According to a study by the University of Massachusetts, there are over 150 college campuses across the US that are creating gender-neutral restrooms.

Not so long ago we also had white and Black bathrooms you can change with the times or be stuck in the past the choice is an individual one .. and neither one bothers me one bit

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

More manufactured Outrage who cares who is in the stall next to you.. so Men are you Afraid of a Female transgender person who looks like a guy using the stall or do we think their going to whip their a shewee at the urinal?? or is just about men dressed as women in a women's rest room... some college's have uni sex bathrooms

According to a study by the University of Massachusetts, there are over 150 college campuses across the US that are creating gender-neutral restrooms.

Not so long ago we also had white and Black bathrooms you can change with the times or be stuck in the past the choice is an individual one .. and neither one bothers me one bit

I am not afraid for my safety. But just because I am unafraid, even if I am comfortable with something, doesn't mean that I can force that comfort on everyone else.

I don't want anyone with the male anatomy in the bathroom with my wife. If I had daughters, I would feel much stronger.

"Not so long ago we also had white and Black bathrooms "

The Obama administration keeps using the comparison to Jim Crow laws, and it's absurd. Gender anatomy isn't the same as skin color, not even close, and it's not a coincidence that we didn't argue about this for 230 years until this particular jerk got elected POTUS. And comparing this to actual, brutal discrimination, is very dismissive to those who experienced it.

Allowing people of different races (same gender) to use the same bathroom, does not invite perversion or voyeurism.

If you had a 9 year-old daughter, you wouldn't care if I put on a wig and followed her into the girls' room? I can't fathom that, I just can't. And I don't think that makes me Archie Bunker for feeling that way.

And regardless of how either of us feels, the Civil Rights Act makes it very clear when the feds can step in to address perceived discrimination. As that law is written, how one chooses to present oneself, isn't on that list. Which means, it's a state issue. End of story. Unless you have a POTUS who thinks he gets to ignore the Constitution when it suits him.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

More manufactured Outrage

Are you referring to the manufactured "outrage" of transgenders because they are not allowed in bathrooms designated for people who have different genitalia then they do?

who cares who is in the stall next to you.. so Men are you Afraid of a Female transgender person who looks like a guy using the stall or do we think their going to whip their a shewee at the urinal?? or is just about men dressed as women in a women's rest room... some college's have uni sex bathrooms

According to a study by the University of Massachusetts, there are over 150 college campuses across the US that are creating gender-neutral restrooms.

Most of the unisex bathrooms currently have only one stall with a door that locks from the inside. But if all bathrooms must become unisex, regardless of how many stalls, and anyone is free to enter, how does that mollify the rage of transgenders who want to use bathrooms strictly designated for those who have the genitalia they wish they had but don't?

Not so long ago we also had white and Black bathrooms you can change with the times or be stuck in the past the choice is an individual one .. and neither one bothers me one bit

Ah, but there's the rub. When government mandates how it must be, it is no longer a matter of individual choice. Does that bother you a little bit?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Ah, but there's the rub. When government mandates how it must be, it is no longer a matter of individual choice. Does that bother you a little bit?

nope ... I never lost the individual choice to use the Head and I am not fear full of the liberal Government stealing my rights... a conservative government stealing my rights now thats another story ..

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

nope ... I never lost the individual choice to use the Head and I am not fear full of the liberal Government stealing my rights... a conservative government stealing my rights now thats another story ..

So you're OK with someone else losing their rights just as long as you don't lose yours. I didn't picture you as being that selfish.

And your not afraid of "liberal" government taking away what you consider your rights, but have some trepidation that a "conservative" one might. You have asked why "conservatives" are afraid of "liberals" and their policies or ideas. Maybe, if they really are "afraid," you have answered your questions. Maybe they are afraid for the same reasons you are.

But why do you so often cast conservatives as being afraid. That is so discriminatory. Allowing yourself to be afraid of them, but calling them cowards when they oppose your points of view.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you're OK with someone else losing their rights just as long as you don't lose yours. I didn't picture you as being that selfish.

And your not afraid of "liberal" government taking away what you consider your rights, but have some trepidation that a "conservative" one might. You have asked why "conservatives" are afraid of "liberals" and their policies or ideas. Maybe, if they really are "afraid," you have answered your questions. Maybe they are afraid for the same reasons you are.

But why do you so often cast conservatives as being afraid. That is so discriminatory. Allowing yourself to be afraid of them, but calling them cowards when they oppose your points of view.

What rights have you lost and I have gained or not lost ?? seems to be more emotional than factual ??


So in your world view allowing transgender to use the bathroom of the sex the identify with.. as taking your rights away in my world view its giving a right to people different than my self .. like same sex marriage its called addition not subtraction

I see conservatives much more willing to limit the rights of others and their own followers in order to maintain what they call Traditional Vaules but they use the word Ban all the time they ban this they will Ban that !! even in the 2a argument the right loves the word Ban for the past 50 years... I dont support banning guns but that wont stop Conservatives from thinking I do... why because I am not upset if a transgender uses the same rest room I do or gay people get married or people shouldn't be shot or beat by police no matter how much they may or may not deserve it .. reguardless of there Race


calling them cowards when they oppose your points of view,,???? Dont recall calling any one person a coward however being afraid is very different from being a coward and I haven't met many conservatives who wont defend their views Vigorously sadly I have met many liberals who don't defend their views Vigorously

1. Coward
a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Afraid feeling reluctance, unwillingness, distaste, or the like:

[Nebe]

Because taking a dump makes trannies horny we should all run in fear.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Because taking a dump makes trannies horny we should all run in fear.
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Eben...I'm picturing you dressed as a woman right now....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Because taking a dump makes trannies horny we should all run in fear.
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Nebe, let's pretend I assume true transgenders aren't a threat (I don't assume that, but pretend I do). But there have been cases of women being assaulted (and having their privacy violated) by men, in public restrooms. What Obama wants to do, makes that a lot easier.

You really don't get the other side, huh? It's not that hard. It's what the entire country believed for th efirst 230 years of our existence. Not that long ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Nebe]

I'm about 1000000% sure that a demented heterosexual male is going to assault someone in a bathroom before a tranny would.
Just like the same type of male is going to kill someone vs a terrorist attack (in relation to gun control debate)
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'm about 1000000% sure that a demented heterosexual male is going to assault someone in a bathroom before a tranny would.
Just like the same type of male is going to kill someone vs a terrorist attack (in relation to gun control debate)
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Well since we're going to allow anybody into anyone's bathroom, then I guess it's going to be a more common occurrence . Also, anything over 100% is moot 😊
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'm about 1000000% sure that a demented heterosexual male is going to assault someone in a bathroom before a tranny would.
Just like the same type of male is going to kill someone vs a terrorist attack (in relation to gun control debate)
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"I'm about 1000000% sure that a demented heterosexual male is going to assault someone in a bathroom before a tranny would"

Agreed! But you are missing the point. These laws that allow any man to use the ladies room, make it easier for the demented heterosexual man to claim he's a tranny, to get access to the ladies room. If a man goes into the ladies room, there is no way to tell if it's a tranny, or just a perveted hetero. The solution which causes the fewest number of people to be inconvenienced, is to leave it the way it's been for 230 years. Please tell me where I am wrong.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The solution which causes the fewest number of people to be inconvenienced, is to leave it the way it's been for 230 years. Please tell me where I am wrong.

I agree, and you now see there was no reason they passed a law to begin with so you agree with that part. Why call attention to this issue at all, if NC doesn't wish to follow the Blue states agenda as far as those states accommodating a small sector of society, then don't, I see no reason they had to pass some counter law so to speak.
Jim your analogies are ridiculous. I guess your uptight about the strong arm crap the POTUS is trying to pull like he has for the last 7 years. He has had that MO for many things so it shouldn't surprise you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I agree, and you now see there was no reason they passed a law to begin with so you agree with that part. Why call attention to this issue at all, if NC doesn't wish to follow the Blue states agenda as far as those states accommodating a small sector of society, then don't, I see no reason they had to pass some counter law so to speak.
Jim your analogies are ridiculous. I guess your uptight about the strong arm crap the POTUS is trying to pull like he has for the last 7 years. He has had that MO for many things so it shouldn't surprise you.

"there was no reason they passed a law to begin with so you agree with that part. Why call attention to this issue at all"

You don't know the basic facts here. The city of Charlotte, NC passed a city law saying that any man can use the ladies room if he identifies that way. The state passed their law, to trump the city law. So yes, there absolutely was a need for the state to pass its law, because the city of Charlotte is apparently being run by liberal lunatics, who care more about appearing progressive than they care about public safety and normalcy.



"Jim your analogies are ridiculous"

Lob an insult without trying to support it. Yawn.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Jim your analogies are ridiculous"

Lob an insult without trying to support it. Yawn.

Insult? sounds like you are a little thin skinned.
It wasn't an insult, just not a worthy comparison


OK, so lawmakers are not doing a good job of trying to pass a law to keep a small group of citizens from being discriminated against and you and others are upset about that. That is my observation. They have a right to be treated fairly and not be discriminated just as many in history who are different from you whether it be skin color, religion or what country they are from. The world is changing, you can either accept things or resist. It sounds like you only have a problem with 2 things, the president pulling his executive order/action tough guy thing which he should be called out on I agree, and the fact that unscrupulous people other than true transgenders will take advantage of these laws and pretend to be male to female just to get into woman's rooms to do possible harmful things. Well if they can write the law to keep those creeps out of it, then is it acceptable? Or are you closed minded on the subject?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Agreed! But you are missing the point. These laws that allow any man to use the ladies room, make it easier for the demented heterosexual man to claim he's a tranny, to get access to the ladies room. If a man goes into the ladies room, there is no way to tell if it's a tranny, or just a perveted hetero. The solution which causes the fewest number of people to be inconvenienced, is to leave it the way it's been for 230 years. Please tell me where I am wrong.

Can you cite one example of this ever happening?
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