And what they did was treason."

[wdmso]

Mr Trump described the investigation by former FBI director Robert Mueller as "an attempted coup".

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile told lawmakers he believes the Trump campaign was spied on by the FBI.


yep sounds like he want to be a strongman like his strongmen buddies around the world

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Mr Trump described the investigation by former FBI director Robert Mueller as "an attempted coup".

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile told lawmakers he believes the Trump campaign was spied on by the FBI.


yep sounds like he want to be a strongman like his strongmen buddies around the world

So there is no possibility that Barr is right?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So there is no possibility that Barr is right?

you mean the Barr that prior to even getting the AG job

argued that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, should not be allowed to demand answers from the president about possible obstruction of justice.

or the Barr When asked in a hearing has the white house seen Mullers report (refused to Answer )

"I feel an obligation to make sure government power is not abused," Barr said. "I think that is one of the principal roles of the attorney general." His boss told him to investigate )no abuse of power there ) but looking into the russians is now a bad thing oh how far republicans have fallen when they think their biggest Threat is from within our own Government ....


US intelligence officials have previously said they were spying on the Russians, not the Trump campaign.

Seems Kraft and Trump have the same issue they both just happened to be there .... now crying it was a set up...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you mean the Barr that prior to even getting the AG job

argued that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, should not be allowed to demand answers from the president about possible obstruction of justice.

or the Barr When asked in a hearing has the white house seen Mullers report (refused to Answer )

"I feel an obligation to make sure government power is not abused," Barr said. "I think that is one of the principal roles of the attorney general." His boss told him to investigate )no abuse of power there ) but looking into the russians is now a bad thing oh how far republicans have fallen when they think their biggest Threat is from within our own Government ....


US intelligence officials have previously said they were spying on the Russians, not the Trump campaign.

Seems Kraft and Trump have the same issue they both just happened to be there .... now crying it was a set up...

So you don't believe there is a possibility that Barr is right?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you don't believe there is a possibility that Barr is right?

nope the man said Trump couldn't be charged with the crime of obstruction concluded that the special counsel’s evidence was “not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

only congress can deem high crimes and misdemeanors

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile said he believes US authorities did spy on the Trump campaign.

He did not provide evidence for his claims. see that a ot with this administration

then this Attorney General Bill Barr told Congress he's looking into the origins of the Russia investigation. He told members he has no evidence of wrongdoing but some "unanswered questions."

they need to make up their minds

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

nope the man said Trump couldn't be charged with the crime of obstruction concluded that the special counsel’s evidence was “not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

only congress can deem high crimes and misdemeanors

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile said he believes US authorities did spy on the Trump campaign.

He did not provide evidence for his claims. see that a ot with this administration

then this Attorney General Bill Barr told Congress he's looking into the origins of the Russia investigation. He told members he has no evidence of wrongdoing but some "unanswered questions."

they need to make up their minds

you’re saying there’s no evidence the trump campaign was spied on? it’s public record that Carter paige was spied on. the primary justification for the wiretaps, is the garbage Steele dossier.

Rep Schiff said today that he think we shouldn’t investigate the claim of inappropriate spying. Funny, I’m so old i can remember when he was in favor of special investigations.

i was all in favor of investigating trump, i said so all along. i’m also in favor of determining if the justice dept went on a political witch hunt, in an attempt to overturn a fair election whose outcome they didn’t like. if they did nothing wrong, the investigation will show that. if they did what has been alleged, that means they attempted a coup. i’d think you’d care if that happened.
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[Got Stripers]

If the FBI had reason to believe there was collusion and there was corrodination between Russia and the Trump campaign, then there would be justification.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If the FBI had reason to believe there was collusion and there was corrodination between Russia and the Trump campaign, then there would be justification.
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of course that’s true.

but what if the whole point was that DOJ and FBI officials didn’t like Trump, and really didn’t want him to be President, so they used the mighty power of their positions to go attack him? What if that’s what happened?

Do you remember when Trump claimed his campaign was being bugged, and everybody laughed at him and called him crazy? I do.
Did a single one of those people
apologize?

No. Because orange man b-a-a-a-d (bleating like sheep).
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[Sea Dangles]

What is this pattern you have linked between Kraft and Trump that suddenly draws your ire?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What is this pattern you have linked between Kraft and Trump that suddenly draws your ire?
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Just seems like an ironic coincidence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If the FBI had reason to believe there was collusion and there was corrodination between Russia and the Trump campaign, then there would be justification.
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"Reason to believe" must be hard evidence. If an investigation is needed in order to find evidence, then, in the first place, there is no "reason to believe, and the search for evidence is a search for a "reason to believe."

And if the investigation concludes that "The evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference", then their actually was no evidence in the first place that would lead to a "reason to believe," unless one just wanted to believe it, or wanted to make it appear so.

It appears that the investigation was inspired by allegations rather than hard evidence. And it appears that suspicious and illicit methods were used to "spy" on the Trump administration.

[Got Stripers]

Courts already ruled on this, Barr’s statements seem more political in nature, which is what people were concerned about after seeing his letter which was basically an application for the job.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Courts already ruled on this, Barr’s statements seem more political in nature, which is what people were concerned about after seeing his letter which was basically an application for the job.
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So you don't believe their is a possibility that Barr is right?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you don't believe their is a possibility that Barr is right?

When we see the FULL report and get his taxes and follow the money, then the investigation may prove more then justified.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

When we see the FULL report and get his taxes and follow the money, then the investigation may prove more then justified.
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And maybe it will prove nothing that you want it to prove. Do you believe there is no possibility that Barr is right?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Mr Trump described the investigation by former FBI director Robert Mueller as "an attempted coup".

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile told lawmakers he believes the Trump campaign was spied on by the FBI.


yep sounds like he want to be a strongman like his strongmen buddies around the world

we know for a fact the trump campaign ( carter page) was spies on by the fbi. we know that a big justification for the spying, was the garbage dossier paid for bybteam hilary. we know that top DOJ and FBI officials didn’t want trump
to win.

there’s no smoking gun. there’s some disturbing stuff there. alan dershowitz hayes trump, hates him, but called this an attempted coup.

democrats aren’t known for accepting defeat like adults.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

nope the man said Trump couldn't be charged with the crime of obstruction

He didn't say "couldn't". BTW, if no crime has been established, how can anyone be charged? Charged for something that has not been proven to exist? There was not the required evidence to establish obstruction. If obstruction is not established, how can someone be charged with it?

concluded that the special counsel’s evidence was “not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

Neither did Mueller say that the evidence was "sufficient". Mueller left it up to the DOJ to conclude if it was, and both Barr and Rosenstein (not a Trump partisan) concluded that it was not.

only congress can deem high crimes and misdemeanors

Only Congress can impeach a President. The Mueller investigation did not have the authority to impeach. It determined if there was sufficient evidence to indict on criminal charges. Sufficient evidence was not found. Congress can impeach regardless of what the investigation found or didn't find. Your mixing apples and oranges.

Attorney General William Barr meanwhile said he believes US authorities did spy on the Trump campaign.

He did not provide evidence for his claims. see that a ot with this administration

Why should he? That was not a venue for an investigation. Are you saying that he should have started the investigation right then and there while he was supposed to be testifying on funding?

then this Attorney General Bill Barr told Congress he's looking into the origins of the Russia investigation. He told members he has no evidence of wrongdoing but some "unanswered questions."

Isn't that exactly how the Mueller investigation began? We were told from the beginning that there was no evidence of Trump conspiring with Russia. But there were allegations that needed to be investigated.

they need to make up their minds

I suppose an investigation will help "them" to make up their minds. Apparently, you have made up your mind before the investigation happens and concludes. See that a lot with you.

[Jim in CT]

the fbi also used an undercover agent to
infiltrate the Trump campaign. if they did this in good faith, fine. if they did this because a few people
at the top
wanted Hilary to win, that’s a serious problem.
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