NRA

[fishpoopoo]

gotta love creeping incrementalism

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by fishpoopoo

gotta love creeping incrementalism

[Saltheart]

I can't believe people think they will be safer if only the criminals have guns.

Heard on the radio that a little girl , 3 years old , was sent home from preschool for doing the old thumb and forefinger bang , bang , bang thing. Talk about crazy school officials!

[Pete F.]

If it could work so well in NY, why not Afganistan

Afghanistan Declared Gun-Free Zone | The Duffel Blog



Warning: satire

[basswipe]

As I said I am not going to get involved in the debate but only report facts and listen to the uninformed have it.

Don't know if this fact has been reported here yet:

The coroner has released some info along with police. An AR-15 was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports, right after the shooting, that police found the AR-15 in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The rifle was not used.Not one body was found with a wound caused by a .223(5.56mm) round.The shooter went into the school with 4 handguns, NOT an assault rifle as the media has charged.In the initial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the rifle in the car.The Media (and the Obama Admin) which included people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun continued to report this as fact.

Question:So why the push to ban semi-automatic rifles?

Answer:

[spence]

The state police reported the primary weapon was the Bushmaster. What's the conflicting source?
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[Pete F.]

As sad as it is to have Spence be right
State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle - Connecticut Post

[basswipe]

My question is why Pete Williams reported otherwise.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 Today show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

The conflicting source is NBC itself.

The state police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun was taken from the trunk of the suspect's car.Lt. Vance is under extreme pressure by the justice department to state this.

Simply put the above statement is not true.The weapon recovered from the trunk was indeed the aforementioned AR15 and 4 handguns were indeed recovered inside the school.The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

Guess I'm involved now.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

My question is why Pete Williams reported otherwise.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 Today show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

The conflicting source is NBC itself.

The state police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun was taken from the trunk of the suspect's car.Lt. Vance is under extreme pressure by the justice department to state this.

Simply put the above statement is not true.The weapon recovered from the trunk was indeed the aforementioned AR15 and 4 handguns were indeed recovered inside the school.The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

Guess I'm involved now.

So...
You are basing it on misreporting on NBC, and a conspiracy that the sherrif is being pressured to say this?

For what it's worth, did anyone see LaPierre with Chris Wallace this weekend?

[basswipe]

To our anti-constitutionalists here...what country has the lowest crime rate on the planet?

Get it right.You won't believe it and you damn well won't except how its possible.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So...
You are basing it on misreporting on NBC, and a conspiracy that the sherrif is being pressured to say this?

For what it's worth, did anyone see LaPierre with Chris Wallace this weekend?

I'm sure you didn't mean misreporting,you surely must've meant mis-spoke,NBC NEVER misreports.No conspiracy here,he was pressured to say what he did as well as the media.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by basswipe

The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

Good point, they've arrested the wrong man!

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

To our anti-constitutionalists here...what country has the lowest crime rate on the planet?

Get it right.You won't believe it and you damn well won't except how its possible.

Please explain

In detail

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

Unreal.Won't even bother with that lameness.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

Please explain

In detail

-spence

You're better that that.You don't need me to hand hold you through this one.Do a little research.

I will give you one clue...it ain't the USA.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I'm sure you didn't mean misreporting,you surely must've meant mis-spoke,NBC NEVER misreports.No conspiracy here,he was pressured to say what he did as well as the media.

Misreport, as in didn't get the story right. You can assume malice if you want, I just figure Pete Williams was rushing to get it on air and had a bad source.

who pressured the sheriff, and do you believe the NBC report over the State Police??

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

You're better that that.You don't need me to hand hold you through this one.Do a little research.

I will give you one clue...it ain't the USA.

Hahaha you don't mean Switzerland do you? Please say no...

-spence

[Pete F.]

Here is the part I find interesting
Everyone is scared of the awful Assault rifle
It's pretty hard to conceal an rifle or shotgun
A pistol is much easier to conceal and used in far more murders in the US than rifles or shotguns.
More people are killed by hand, foot or pushed than by rifles
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...6CK7BtBHWUayfw
Why is the emphasis on "assault" rifles?
Why is the murder rate per capita so much higher in Chicago than NY?
Do you honestly think gun laws make the difference?

[Nebe]

They should make knives illegal too
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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why is the emphasis on "assault" rifles?

Because they look scary and emotion is more effective for politicians to leverage than logic. Being able to ban one type of weapon sets a precedent and allows the gun control crowd to get their foot in the door towards banning all guns.

This is also why the gun grabbers define "legitimate need" to only be hunting.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Because they look scary and emotion is more effective for politicians to leverage than logic. Being able to ban one type of weapon sets a precedent and allows the gun control crowd to get their foot in the door towards banning all guns.

This is also why the gun grabbers define "legitimate need" to only be hunting.

False on all counts.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

How is that lameness.....you said "the initial reports are the accurate ones.They always are"....l pointed out that they didn't even get the shooter right in the initial reports.

Originally Posted by basswipe

Unreal.Won't even bother with that lameness.

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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence

False on all counts.
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Then what is the rational thought for banning assault rifles, they are involved in few crimes, though perhaps some horrific ones that have been ranked in the news media.
If the intent is to reduce gun crime, would handguns not be the logical target?

[Nebe]

The rational thought is that when someone wants to kill a lot of people with a gun, they go for the weapon with the largest magazine capacity.
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[Pete F.]

After looking thru the FBI reports on Murder in the United States

FBI — Table 20

I had to check at the top under Scams & Safety to see if what the politicians are trying to do is listed there.
If ALL rifles were illegal It would only change the murder rate by 2.5%, now handguns are another story.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The rational thought is that when someone wants to kill a lot of people with a gun, they go for the weapon with the largest magazine capacity.
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Fortunately most murderers have only 1 or 2 targets in mind, mass murderers just want to be on top of the list and if quantity is how you are rated by the rating agency (media) then you need the best weapon you can get for the job.
Don't forget the largest school slaying was in 1927 and was done with a bomb.

[buckman]

The way this was reported reminds me of , oh, maybe Benghazi ?? Do I sense a pattern here ?
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[Fly Rod]

Ban baseball bats from the Little league up to the pros can be and have been used as assault weapons....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

False on all counts.
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Like most of your other drive-by contrarian replies, easy to say when you make no effort to support a claim.