Robert Redford says republicans are racist

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

I only asked you to name 1...

...apparently that would take too much time but you have plenty of time for all of your other nonsense

Yeah, it might take a lot of time to look up a member of congress that made a birther remark. But I'd be interested in why birther remarks are racist. Weren't they about Obama supposedly not being born here therefor not being qualified to be POTUS? Oh, that's right, it couldn't be something as simple and straightforward as that. It had to be some code--like "Obama is black." Funny, I thought everyone knew that long before he was elected, and before any birther remarks were made. Maybe it was just to reinforce the obvious fact. Americans can be stupid. Especially "conservatives" who are racists and must be reminded that Obama is black so that nobody, no racist, would accidentally vote for him.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yeah, it might take a lot of time to look up a member of congress that made a birther remark. But I'd be interested in why birther remarks are racist. Weren't they about Obama supposedly not being born here therefor not being qualified to be POTUS? Oh, that's right, it couldn't be something as simple and straightforward as that. It had to be some code--like "Obama is black." Funny, I thought everyone knew that long before he was elected, and before any birther remarks were made. Maybe it was just to reinforce the obvious fact. Americans can be stupid. Especially "conservatives" who are racists and must be reminded that Obama is black so that nobody, no racist, would accidentally vote for him.

The effort to undermine Obama via his race has been very consistent and well coordinated. He's a Muslim, he's a Kenyan, he wasn't born in the USA, he's not like us, he doesn't share our values etc...

If Obama was a white guy named Steve this strategy wouldn't take. It's amazing though how far this scare tactic has went...with no evidence it's almost to the point of being mainstream in some circles.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The effort to undermine Obama via his race has been very consistent and well coordinated. He's a Muslim, he's a Kenyan, he wasn't born in the USA, he's not like us, he doesn't share our values etc...

Islam is not a race. Kenyan is not a race. Being born outside of the USA is not a race. He's not like us is not a race. He doesn't share our values etc... is not a race.

If Obama was a white guy named Steve this strategy wouldn't take. It's amazing though how far this scare tactic has went...with no evidence it's almost to the point of being mainstream in some circles.

-spence

Being a white guy is a race, and as such, it would take hold as a tactic in the "black community," in the "Hispanic community," etc... And the tactic, even more powerful, because it would take hold not only in those communities but in most others, is to call him a racist. The proof being that he is a white guy named Steve.

And he's a conservative.

[justplugit]

Forget what Redford says, my wife tells me he's busy working on his women's
clothes catalogue.
Listen to Clint, he tells it like it is.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The effort to undermine Obama via his race has been very consistent and well coordinated. -spence

proof?

no one has undermined Obama more than Obama....it happens when you constantly say things that are not true, can't be substantiated and don't come to fruition...

you can probably relate

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

The effort to undermine Obama via his race has been very consistent and well coordinated. He's a Muslim, he's a Kenyan, he wasn't born in the USA, he's not like us, he doesn't share our values etc...

If Obama was a white guy named Steve this strategy wouldn't take. It's amazing though how far this scare tactic has went...with no evidence it's almost to the point of being mainstream in some circles.

-spence

So if you don't share the same values you're a racist now?
Oh and could you give Obama a different hypothetical white guy name please .
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The effort to undermine Obama via his race has been very consistent and well coordinated. He's a Muslim, he's a Kenyan, he wasn't born in the USA, he's not like us, he doesn't share our values etc...

If Obama was a white guy named Steve this strategy wouldn't take. It's amazing though how far this scare tactic has went...with no evidence it's almost to the point of being mainstream in some circles.

-spence

Not only are any of the "efforts" you list above not fundamentally about race, but can only be made so by a silly notion that they are code for race. That a code is needed to call attention to Obama's race is ridiculous on its face, and on Obama's face. He is obviously black, everyone who was not blind and didn't live in a cave where there was no information about outside activities, including politics, knew he was black (maybe were not quite up to his being half white). Much was, and is, made about him being the first black President. His race was never hidden or obscure, and that a need for some "code" to call attention to it is absurd.

But the convenience of pretending such a code exists, of using the "race card," in order not only to deflect from the actual statements or opinions about Obama relating to his competency for the office of President, is the real "scare tactic." It is a real tactic for which there is no evidence and which is "mainstream in some circles"--as pointed out in this article:http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/201.../?subscriber=1

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Not only are any of the "efforts" you list above not fundamentally about race, but can only be made so by a silly notion that they are code for race. That a code is needed to call attention to Obama's race is ridiculous on its face, and on Obama's face. He is obviously black, everyone who was not blind and didn't live in a cave where there was no information about outside activities, including politics, knew he was black (maybe were not quite up to his being half white). Much was, and is, made about him being the first black President. His race was never hidden or obscure, and that a need for some "code" to call attention to it is absurd.

But the convenience of pretending such a code exists, of using the "race card," in order not only to deflect from the actual statements or opinions about Obama relating to his competency for the office of President, is the real "scare tactic." It is a real tactic for which there is no evidence and which is "mainstream in some circles"--as pointed out in this article:http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/201.../?subscriber=1

This is completely missing the point. It's not about other elements being "code" for Obama being black. It's about using his race as "code" for all that other stuff.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's about using his race as "code" for all that other stuff.

-spence

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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

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I know, it's hard to fathom isn't it.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

This is completely missing the point. It's not about other elements being "code" for Obama being black. It's about using his race as "code" for all that other stuff.

-spence

And I'm still missing the point:

How is his race code for him being a Muslim? Most Muslims are not of his race. Why would making race a code for being Muslim be necessary. Either he's Muslim, which does not need a code to identify it, or he's not. Race has nothing to do with either.

How is his race code for being Kenyan? A person of his race could be from any country in Africa, or the West Indies, or from Detroit. Are white racists more so against Kenyans than other blacks.

What does race have to do with not being born in the USA? Most people of all races are not born in the USA. It is well known by the vast majority of Americans, if not, by some quirk, by all, that millions of blacks are born in the USA. Either you're born here or you're not-- No code is needed. A birth certificate is all that's needed.

Why is a "code" needed to point out that "he's not like us" if you're a white racist. Ditto for "he doesn't share our values". What's the point of a code for the obvious. On the other hand, sharing of values is not dependent on race. Many, many whites don't share common values. In the political arena not sharing values has to do with policy not race.

The "etc." might contain a code. Please spell it out.

Race being a "code" for all that stuff is as silly as all that stuff being a "code" for race.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And I'm still missing the point:

How is his race code for him being a Muslim? Most Muslims are not of his race. Why would making race a code for being Muslim be necessary. Either he's Muslim, which does not need a code to identify it, or he's not. Race has nothing to do with either.

How is his race code for being Kenyan? A person of his race could be from any country in Africa, or the West Indies, or from Detroit. Are white racists more so against Kenyans than other blacks.

What does race have to do with not being born in the USA? Most people of all races are not born in the USA. It is well known by the vast majority of Americans, if not, by some quirk, by all, that millions of blacks are born in the USA. Either you're born here or you're not-- No code is needed. A birth certificate is all that's needed.

Why is a "code" needed to point out that "he's not like us" if you're a white racist. Ditto for "he doesn't share our values". What's the point of a code for the obvious. On the other hand, sharing of values is not dependent on race. Many, many whites don't share common values. In the political arena not sharing values has to do with policy not race.

The "etc." might contain a code. Please spell it out.

Race being a "code" for all that stuff is as silly as all that stuff being a "code" for race.

all of this abstract nonsense and he still can't come up with 1 concrete name