2020

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think you missed his point.
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No, I didn't miss his point. But you missed that his point included you.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No, I didn't miss his point. But you missed that his point included you.

It actually spoke to all, and as one who dissents I concur.
Here’s the first paragraph of his post
I feel the need to explain to you why I am so alarmed by what Trump is doing this week, and more than that, by what is happening in our culture. For you who have read my books, or read this blog for a while, most of this will be old news. I beg your pardon, then, for repeating myself. But this stuff is all personal to me, for reasons I’m about to explain.

What worries me most about Trump and the Trump mob is the fear they give me for dissenters.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Another one of your amazing posts that absolutely sizzles with logic and proof. Keep saying stuff. Over and over. Finger a rosary bead with each pronouncement. After you've gone through the list of Trump is bad memes, do it over. And over. Fingering the beads. Until your mind, soul, and body are fully mesmerized into the spiritual truth that Trump is the devil.

Genius. Please tell me where I am. Wrong.. latest poll numbers up. (After telling 4 Americans to go back where they came from) And you think myself and others think Trumps the devil.. ( hate Trump its simpler that that way) thanks D for making my logic and proof a reality ..
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[Got Stripers]

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

The bullet point from my previous post, along with the newly agreed to budget should worry anyone planning to retire and rely partly or hopefully not fully on social security. Trump and the GOP are hypocrites, promises to pay down the deficit, while bitching about previous administrations spending is a not so funny joke. If he could bankrupt casinos it should be easy to do it to this government and shame on the Democratic Party for agreeing to eliminate the ceiling. Pretty soon Monopoly money might be worth more if we keep this up.

Then consider Trump’s willingness to push our adversaries to the edge of war and his threats to wipe them off the map, what weapon do you think he might use to do that in his promise of it happening in ten days. Spend, spend, spend, promises, promises and more unfulfilled promises, but best president of our lifetime🤮
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[Sea Dangles]

Deal with it
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[The Dad Fisherman]

You would think that after almost 3 straight years of Trump bashing on Striped-Bass.com he would have been removed from office by now. Who would have thought that strategy wouldn't have paid off by now. keep the faith though, I'm sure your rants will hit the proper channels to make that a reality any day now.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Deal with it
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I doubt I'm the one who will deal the the building deficit and out of control spending, that will be our children and the generations that follow, but hey if it's all about you then you have no worries.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

May as well ask Jeff... will you be in a safe place during the coming presidential election? If you need comfort again please ask. Don’t disappear like a titanic douche again,just talk it out.
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Wow, looks like someone lost their laser etched Trump straw

[Sea Dangles]

Awww
Too soon still?
Let me know when the hurt goes away.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Genius. Please tell me where I am. Wrong.. latest poll numbers up. (After telling 4 Americans to go back where they came from) And you think myself and others think Trumps the devil.. ( hate Trump its simpler that that way) thanks D for making my logic and proof a reality ..

The ussual suspects wiill dumb it down..

No one dumbed down his A-Z list, to which you were responding, and probably agreed with. So you were wrong about that. Although it would have been easy to point out that the list was mostly opinion, or lies if the standard applied to Trump is used, or other unproven notions. They were like the rosary beads I referred to that would be said over and over until, like lies that are repeated over and over, are somehow transformed into truth . . . simply by repetition.

that you suffer from TDS.. and just hate Trump its simpler that that way ..

Those labels have been used, just as labels are used by you, like Trumplican, liar, misogynist, Nazi, Fascist, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, Islamaphobe, homophobe, and so-forth. But detailed arguments have also been made by whom you refer to as "ussual suspects", which have not been refuted, and which kind you usually don't do. So either you were wrong again . . . or, as would be said about Trump when he is wrong, you lied.

and they have a weird fetish thing going on with Trump.. his approval ratings go up when they think hes owed libs .. with a stupid comment..

Your referring to it as a weird fetish is another unproven label--as you say "its simpler that way." Your guilty of your own accusation of simply using a label rather than actually and objectively and rationally arguing.

And his ratings go up not merely because of a comment. Nor could you prove that. But you gladly would assume that, because you seem to want Trump supporters to like him because he says stupid things. So I stand by my post which mocked your post because it (as quite often) it lacked logic and proof.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It actually spoke to all, and as one who dissents I concur.

If you actually stop your lying, your irrational referring to Trump and those who voted for him or attend his rallies as racists, haters, the various phobes, comparing him to Nazis, saying that he is dangerous, that he is a horrible nightmare of a person, and other such inflammatory things that can inspire the reactions and mob mentality to which you concur, then I will believe you.

Here’s the first paragraph of his post
I feel the need to explain to you why I am so alarmed by what Trump is doing this week, and more than that, by what is happening in our culture. For you who have read my books, or read this blog for a while, most of this will be old news. I beg your pardon, then, for repeating myself. But this stuff is all personal to me, for reasons I’m about to explain.

What worries me most about Trump and the Trump mob is the fear they give me for dissenters.
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You do not seem to fear for Trumplican dissenters. In a great degree, Trump is a dissent. Voting for Trump was a dissent against the yin/yang, good cop/bad cop games the so-called Liberals and Conservatives have been doing to this country for a hundred years. You don't fear for these dissenters when you and folks like you in tandem with a rabid anti-Trump media spit out far more incendiary rhetoric against Trumpists than Trumps comments are. Not when it inspires Antifa physical attacks against them. Not when our culture inspiring universities censor right leaning speakers and spread the fear mongering labels they attach to Trump. Not when People including teens are attacked physically and threatened verbally for wearing MAGA hats.

You do not fear the lying rhetoric from the left which is meant to destroy their opposition. You call Trump supporters a mob. The left has been and is becoming more so a mob. A far more effective, and dangerous, mob than "Trumplicans" who have a brief space of enthusiasm for voting for someone who does not seem to be part of the leftist mob, nor the politics as usual mob that has been transforming the constitutional republic they once thought they had into the unitary, centralized, all-powerful government they fear.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You do not seem to fear for Trumplican dissenters. In a great degree, Trump is a dissent. Voting for Trump was a dissent against the yin/yang, good cop/bad cop games the so-called Liberals and Conservatives have been doing to this country for a hundred years. You don't fear for these dissenters when you and folks like you in tandem with a rabid anti-Trump media spit out far more incendiary rhetoric against Trumpists than Trumps comments are. Not when it inspires Antifa physical attacks against them. Not when our culture inspiring universities censor right leaning speakers and spread the fear mongering labels they attach to Trump. Not when People including teens are attacked physically and threatened verbally for wearing MAGA hats.

You do not fear the lying rhetoric from the left which is meant to destroy their opposition. You call Trump supporters a mob. The left has been and is becoming more so a mob. A far more effective, and dangerous, mob than "Trumplicans" who have a brief space of enthusiasm for voting for someone who does not seem to be part of the leftist mob, nor the politics as usual mob that has been transforming the constitutional republic they once thought they had into the unitary, centralized, all-powerful government they fear.

He claims unlimited power, is that a lie?



He considers and threatens committing Genocide, is that a lie?

[Sea Dangles]

Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He claims unlimited power, is that a lie?

Yes, that's a lie. He claimed Article 2 power, not unlimited power. And your video was a specific reference to his power to remove Mueller. And yes, he constitutionally had the power to remove him. Or, in Trumpspeak, he could have done whatever he wanted in that regard. That might be questionable. But it certainly was not a claim to unlimited power. You should stop relying on edited pieces that leave out the rest of the story.

He considers and threatens committing Genocide, is that a lie?

Yes, that is a lie. He specifically said that he did not want to kill 10 million people. He did not want to wipe Afghanistan off the face of the earth. He did not consider committing, as you put it, "Genocide." You try very hard to paint whatever he says or does in the most negative way.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He did not exonerate, which he didn't really have the power to do anyway, and he didn't accuse Trump of obstruction, which he could have done even within the rules. He did nothing except lay out various circumstances which might indicate obstruction, or that might not.

Clearly, Trump knew, as the report concluded, that he was not guilty of conspiracy, and that any attempts or desires to stop the witch hunt would be justice, not an obstruction of it. Nor did anything he did or asked actually obstruct any justice.

So you, and the Dems, want badly to paint an unnecessary picture in order to besmirch or get rid of Trump. I think that is a far more insidious picture.

[Sea Dangles]

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Bask in the sun Mr. President.
Well done sir

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He did not exonerate, which he didn't really have the power to do anyway, and he didn't accuse Trump of obstruction, which he could have done even within the rules. He did nothing except lay out various circumstances which might indicate obstruction, or that might not.

Clearly, Trump knew, as the report concluded, that he was not guilty of conspiracy, and that any attempts or desires to stop the witch hunt would be justice, not an obstruction of it. Nor did anything he did or asked actually obstruct any justice.

So you, and the Dems, want badly to paint an unnecessary picture in order to besmirch or get rid of Trump. I think that is a far more insidious picture.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He didn't say they obstructed justice. He certainly could have charged them of it. Nor that Trump did. Keep clinging.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He didn't say they obstructed justice. He certainly could have charged them of it. Nor that Trump did. Keep clinging.

"Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation."

Mueller: "I would generally agree with that."

.@RepRichmond: So it's fair to say that president tried to protect himself by asking staff to falsify records relevant to an ongoing investigation?

MUELLER: "I would say that's generally a summary."

.@RepMcClintock: It's starting to look like, having desperately tried & failed to make a legal case against POTUS, you made a political case instead. You put it in a paper sack, lit it on fire, rang the doorbell, & ran.

MUELLER: I don't think you reviewed the same report as ours

.@RepRaskin on witness tampering: So POTUS used inducements in form of positive messages to get Cohen to not cooperate, & then used attacks & intimidation to deter the provision of information once Cohen began cooperating?

MUELLER: I believe that's accurate.

"You could charge the president of the United States after he has left office"

Mueller: "Yes"

.@RepKarenBass: To be clear, the president is asking his WH counsel, Don McGahn, to create a record that McGahn believed to be untrue, while you're investigating the president for obstruction?

MUELLER: Generally correct

.@RepKenBuck: Was there sufficient evidence to convict president of Trump or anyone else of obstruction of justice?

MUELLER: We did not make that calculation.

BUCK: Why not?

M: Because of the OLC opinion that states the president can't be charged with a crime.

[Pete F.]

Clinger, huh?

[Pete F.]

Rep. Zoe Lofgren: "Did your investigation find that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning?"

Robert Mueller: "Yes."

Lofgren: "And which candidate would that be?"

#Mueller: "Well it would be Trump."

Lofgren: "Correct."

[Pete F.]

Adam Schiff's opening statement

At the outset and on behalf of my colleagues, I want to thank you, Special Counsel Mueller, for a lifetime of service to the country.
Your report, for those who have taken the time to study it, is methodical and it is devastating, for it tells the story of a foreign adversary's sweeping and systematic intervention in a close U.S. presidential election.
That should be enough to deserve the attention of every American, as you well point out. But your report tells another story as well. For the story of the 2016 presidential election is also a story about disloyalty to country, about greed, and about lies.
Your investigation determined that the Trump campaign -- including Trump himself -- knew that a foreign power was intervening in our election and welcomed it, built Russian meddling into their strategy, and used it.
Disloyalty to country. Those are strong words, but how else are we to describe a presidential campaign which did not inform the authorities of a foreign offer of dirt on their opponent, which did not publicly shun it, or turn it away, but which instead invited it, encouraged it, and made full use of it?
That disloyalty may not have been criminal. Constrained by uncooperative witnesses, the destruction of documents and the use of encrypted communications, your team was not able to establish each of the elements of the crime of conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, so not a provable crime, in any event. But, I think, maybe, something worse. A crime is the violation of a law written by Congress. But disloyalty to country violates the very obligation of citizenship, our devotion to a core principle on which our nation was founded, that we, the people, not some foreign power that wishes us ill, we decide, who shall govern, us.

This also a story about money, about greed and corruption, about the leadership of a campaign willing to compromise the nation's interest not only to win, but to make money at the same time.
About a campaign chairman indebted to pro-Russian interests who tried to use his position to clear his debts and make millions. About a national security advisor using his position to make money from still other foreign interests. And about a candidate trying to make more money than all of them, through a real estate project that to him, was worth a fortune, hundreds of millions of dollars, and the realization of a lifelong ambition -- a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow. A candidate who, in fact, viewed his whole campaign as the greatest infomercial in history.
Donald Trump and his senior staff were not alone in their desire to use the election to make money. For Russia, too, there was a powerful financial motive. Putin wanted relief from U.S. economic sanctions imposed in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and over human rights violations. The secret Trump Tower meeting between the Russians and senior campaign officials was about sanctions. The secret conversations between Flynn and the Russian ambassador were about sanctions. Trump and his team wanted more money for themselves, and the Russians wanted more money for themselves, and for their oligarchs.
But the story doesn't end here either. For your report also tells a story about lies. Lots of lies.
Lies about a gleaming tower in Moscow and lies about talks with the Kremlin. Lies about the firing of FBI Director James Comey, and lies about efforts to fire you, Mr. Mueller, and lies to cover it up. Lies about secret negotiations with the Russians over sanctions and lies about Wikileaks. Lies about polling data and lies about hush money payments. Lies about meetings in the Seychelles to set up secret back channels, and lies about a secret meeting in New York Trump Tower. Lies to the FBI, lies to your staff, and lies to our Committee.
And lies to obstruct an investigation into the most serious attack on our democracy by a foreign power in our history.
That is where your report ends, Mr. Mueller, with a scheme to cover up, obstruct and deceive every bit as systematic and pervasive as the Russian disinformation campaign itself, but far more pernicious since this rot came from within.
Even now, after 448 pages in two volumes, the deception continues. The President and his acolytes say your report found no collusion, though your report explicitly declined to address that question, since collusion can involve both criminal and non-criminal conduct.
Your report laid out multiple offers of Russian help to the Trump campaign, the campaign's acceptance of that help, and overt acts in furtherance of Russian help. To most Americans, that is the very definition of collusion, whether it is a crime or not.
They say your report found no evidence of obstruction, though you outline numerous actions by the President intended to obstruct the investigation.
They say the President has been fully exonerated, though you specifically declare you could not exonerate him.
In fact, they say your whole investigation was nothing more than a witch hunt, that the Russians didn't interfere in our election, that it's all a terrible hoax. The real crime, they say, is not that the Russians intervened to help Donald Trump, but that the FBI had the temerity to investigate it when they did.
But worst of all, worse than all the lies and the greed, is the disloyalty to country, for that too, continues. When asked, if the Russians intervene again, will you take their help, Mr. President? Why not, was the essence of his answer. Everyone does it.
No, Mr. President, they don't. Not in the America envisioned by Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton. Not for those who believe in the idea that Lincoln labored until his dying day to preserve, the idea animating our great national experiment, so unique then, so precious still — that our government is chosen by our people, through our franchise, and not by some hostile foreign power.
This is what is at stake. Our next election, and the one after that, for generations to come. Our democracy.
This is why your work matters, Mr. Mueller. This is why our investigation matters. To bring these dangers to light.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Collins: At any time in the investigation was your investigation curtailed or stopped or hindered?

Mueller: No.

earlier.....

Mueller continued:

"Second, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities. We did not address 'collusion,' which is not a legal term. Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.

[Got Stripers]

Watched about an hour before I needed to get some yard work done, DVR'd to review later. What I saw was a calm methodical questioning by the democrats, getting Mueller to confirm the key points in the report. What I saw from the republican's was anger, frustration and a futile attempt to lead Mueller where he wasn't going to go or couldn't as it was outside the boundries of the report. I'm certain the right on this board will call it a success, but unless I see anything different than I already have, I think it's a success for the democrats in getting exactly what they could out of Mueller.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think it's a success for the democrats in getting exactly what they could out of Mueller.

The only way this is a success for the democrats is if impeachment precedings follow this up, otherwise its a win for Trump.

[Pete F.]

Joshua A. Geltzer
@jgeltzer
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49m
A summary of the Mueller Report, told in 2 yesses:

Vol. 1:

SCHIFF: “Trump & his campaign welcomed & encouraged Russian interference?”

MUELLER: “Yes.”

Vol. 1 into 2:

SCHIFF: “And then Trump & his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”

MUELLER: “Yes.”

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The only way this is a success for the democrats is if impeachment precedings follow this up, otherwise its a win for Trump.

Really, let me suggest another way they win. Enough of the public watched, believe as I do if he were not the sitting president he would have been indicted, he is voted out of office and then charged for obstruction of justice. That to me would be the ultimate win for the American people and justice. But I know, best president of our life time, 27,000 yada yada yada.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Really, let me suggest another way they win. Enough of the public watched, believe as I do if he were not the sitting president he would have been indicted, he is voted out of office and then charged for obstruction of justice. That to me would be the ultimate win for the American people and justice. But I know, best president of our life time, 27,000 yada yada yada.
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The people who have watched, already had their minds made up before this even started, nothing has changed anybody's minds. The whole reason they are doing this today is to find something to impeach him on. Thats It. If they don't find anything, it will be back to business as usual tomorrow. Trump will be touring the country saying "See, I'm still here, they had nothing"

But I get it Russian Collusion, Islahomoraciphobic, Orange man bad, yada yada yada

[Sea Dangles]

These turds are so disappointed. 😢
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