GOP punishment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

leftists hated bush/cheney but they suddenly love Liz...funny how that works

“the enemy of my enemy is my friend “, kind of a thing.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Liz Cheney is a conservative Republican in every traditional respect. But she will not lie for Trump -- which is why she's persona non grata in the GOP. "The Republican Party is more than Trump!" some people say, with annoyance. Oh? Not by the evidence.
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So you're saying that the Republican party does whatever Trump wants? So if Trump were to change his policies, which align to a great extent on Republican party policies over the last several decades, and go all authoritarian Progressive left, you're saying the Republican party would follow right along?

[wdmso]

No disloyalty of the president would be tolerated. No dissent would be tolerated

The new GOP
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No disloyalty of the president would be tolerated. No dissent would be tolerated

The new GOP
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no one criticized trump ? that’s what you’re saying? what planet do you live on?
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[Pete F.]

House Republicans in good standing with their state parties:
Paul Gosar
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Lauren Boebert
Matt Gaetz.

No longer recognized as a Republican by her state party:
Liz Cheney.

Today's Republican Party:
Lies and grift? Yes.
Truth and accountability? No.
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[Pete F.]

We all know the answer, don't we?

Reporter Asks Kevin McCarthy Why ‘Only Thing Republicans Will Punish One of Their Own Members for’ Is ‘Speaking Out Against Donald Trump’
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We all know the answer, don't we?

Reporter Asks Kevin McCarthy Why ‘Only Thing Republicans Will Punish One of Their Own Members for’ Is ‘Speaking Out Against Donald Trump’
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That's one of those normal everyday fake news questions that feed your TDS venom.

A lot of Republicans have spoken out against Trump. They have not been removed from the party.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

House Republicans in good standing with their state parties:
Paul Gosar
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Lauren Boebert
Matt Gaetz.

Are they the only House Republicans in good standing with their state parties. Aren't most in good standing. Are you creating another one of your fake scenarios.

No longer recognized as a Republican by her state party:
Liz Cheney.

If the Wyoming voters disapprove, then the Wyoming Republican state party will not be in good standing.

Today's Republican Party:
Lies and grift? Yes.
Truth and accountability? No.
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A fake conclusion derived from a fake scenario.

[Pete F.]

Apparently you missed GOP leaders speech, where he within minutes went from condemning how few were evacuated from Afghanistan to complaining that it was too many.

“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.;1218084

“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”


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is this why the left and democrats have become insane authoritarians?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Apparently you missed GOP leaders speech, where he within minutes went from condemning how few were evacuated from Afghanistan to complaining that it was too many.

“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
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The policies that Trump
implemented, were so popular, that Gallup’s poll showed a record number of americans said those policies made them better off. His numbers in that question beat every other president they ever polled. He wasn’t middle of the pack. Not a lot of ambiguity there.

Pete, what you think is right, and what people who aren’t in need of treatment for acute paranoid schizophrenia think is right, appear to be different.

why does the gop have half the senate, just less than half the house, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures? why did a blue state like VA, turn more than ten points to the right in one year?

it’s not a fringe, out of whack party. you desperately try to paint it is as such, because even you know you can’t rationally deny that there are some healthy ideas on the right. Not every idea they have is the greatest idea to be sure, but it’s nowhere near the satanic, apocalyptic cult that you and cnn and msnbc and wdmso and spence and Got Stripers wish it was
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[Pete F.]

I want a government run by the most intelligent and virtuous citizens, who in turn rely on experts as servants of the government. This puts me squarely with those elitist fuddy-duddies like James Madison and John Adams

Not people who would do this:
New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so.

We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I want a government run by the most intelligent and virtuous citizens, who in turn rely on experts as servants of the government. This puts me squarely with those elitist fuddy-duddies like James Madison and John Adams

Not people who would do this:
New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so.

We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died.
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"I want a government run by the most intelligent and virtuous citizens"

So who did you vote for in 2020, then? The guy who is clearly in early stages of dimentia, who in his 40 years in DC is known best for lying, plagiarizing, being a political pit bull for the left, who so unfairly blocked the nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court that Websters literally added new word to the dictionary to describe it? A guy who lied about beating up a street tough named Corn Pop (a very common name among drug kingpins), who lied about formerly driving a tractor trailer, who told blacks that Republicans want to put them back in chains?

Spare me.

We both want leaders who will advocate for what we believe. And while we may wish they were also virtuous, that takes aback seat to having the right ideology.


"who in turn rely on experts as servants of the government"

Experts? Like the woman nominated to be in charge of our currency, who is a communist with a shoplifting record? Or the nominee to be in charge of civil rights at the DOJ who explicitly said blacks are physically, intellectually, and spiritually superior to whites? Experts like Kamala Harris, who polled below 1% in the democratic primary, and who got to be VP only because she has the right skin color and genetalia? Experts like Pete Buttigieg who goes out on paternity for weeks during a true crisis involving his area of responsibility?

Experts like our attorney general, who do nothing about violent riots in our cities, but who is OK with using the domestic terror label to describe parents who complain at BOE meetings?

Experts like Anthony Faucci, who have flip-flopped ten times on every single issue related to covid? Wearing a mask would be stupid.

Or experts like the teachers unions, who tell the administration to defy science to make life easier for their members, at our kids' expense.

[Jim in CT]

Pete wants an administration who relies on experts.

Biden’s nominee to be i. charge if currency, is a former ( supposedly former) communist who was arrested for shoplifting from TJ Max.

she wrote recently that instead of banks, we should all have our savings and checking accounts either he federal government.

A totalitarian, commie, shoplifter is the best he could come up with? To be in charge of our currency?

It’s like a Saturday Night Live Skit. From back when SNL was funny.
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[Pete F.]

Amazing how you can repeat party lines verbatim and claim everyone else is a liar

It’s almost “Actually, Jesus wasn’t laid in a manger, manger is an English word and English didn’t exist then” season!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Amazing how you can repeat party lines verbatim and claim everyone else is a liar

It’s almost “Actually, Jesus wasn’t laid in a manger, manger is an English word and English didn’t exist then” season!
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every single criticism of liberals, is a made-up “party line”?

Pete, this nominee to be in charge of currency…

do you deny she was arrested for shoplifting at a TJ Maxx as an adult?

Do you deny she write a paper in the last ten years, demonizing american financial
institutions and suggesting we all have savings and checking accounts managed by the federal government?

am i making that up?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete wants an administration who relies on experts.

Biden’s nominee to be i. charge if currency, is a former ( supposedly former) communist who was arrested for shoplifting from TJ Max.

she wrote recently that instead of banks, we should all have our savings and checking accounts either he federal government.

A totalitarian, commie, shoplifter is the best he could come up with? To be in charge of our currency?

It’s like a Saturday Night Live Skit. From back when SNL was funny.
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Are you talking about the eminently qualified law professor at Cornell University?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Are you talking about the eminently qualified law professor at Cornell University?

yes i am. the one who wrote just a few years ago, that personal checking and savings accounts shouldn’t be held by private banks, but held by the federal government. who also was arrested for stealing from TJ Maxx.

sorry, being an ivy league professor is no longer ( if it ever was) an indicator of competence in ones field. plenty of jerks, crooks, kooks in the Ivy League.

and could care less that she was an active communist when she lived in the soviet union, no one chooses where they are born. what she has written in the last few years, is fair game to judge her by. and she’s a kook. and some kind of weird shoplifter apparently.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

every single criticism of liberals, is a made-up “party line”?

Pete, this nominee to be in charge of currency…

do you deny she was arrested for shoplifting at a TJ Maxx as an adult?

Do you deny she write a paper in the last ten years, demonizing american financial
institutions and suggesting we all have savings and checking accounts managed by the federal government?

am i making that up?
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Oh no, not demonizing bankers
We worship money, don’t we?

Hard to believe any college student would break a law.

Almost as hard to believe that anyone would suggest any banking be done by the federal government.

Most countries use their postal networks to deliver banking services — and so did the U.S. from 1911 to 1966.

It might even damage the business of check cashing businesses, payday loan companies, rent to own stores and other businesses that prey on low income folks.
How horrible
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Oh no, not demonizing bankers
We worship money, don’t we?

Hard to believe any college student would break a law.

Almost as hard to believe that anyone would suggest any banking be done by the federal government.

Most countries use their postal networks to deliver banking services — and so did the U.S. from 1911 to 1966.

It might even damage the business of check cashing businesses, payday loan companies, rent to own stores and other businesses that prey on low income folks.
How horrible
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Let’s re-cap….

Biden nominee: People
shouldn’t be allowed to have savings and checking accounts with private banks. They should be forced to bank with the federal government.

Pete: while i despise authoritarians, i support this, because it’s not at all authoritarian. nope, not at all.

Jim: that’s a radical idea

Pete: oh so you worship bankers?

it’s always one stupid extreme
or another with you thoughtless libs who can’t debate anything honestly. if i say her notion is kooky, you can’t refute that. you know you can’t refute that. so you act as if i said “ we can never criticize bankers”, because that’s easy to refute.

only, i never said that. as always, instead of just admitting she’s a tad radical, you claim i said something which i never came close to saying. you and wdmso do this on every single thread.

she is the extremist here. not me. well, her and you i guess

so in the last couple of days, i’ve tricked you into admitting that you think it’s a good sign that the overwhelming majority of those who control our economy, vote democrat.

and i’ve also tricked you into admitting what we all
knew already, that you are fine with authoritarians, as long as they dictate from the left.

keep responding to the voices in your head, instead of to what i post here.

Pulverized.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Biden nominee: People
shouldn’t be allowed to have savings and checking accounts with private banks. They should be forced to bank with the federal government.

That's not at all what she said. Pete, do you ever get the feeling that say 80% of your inane rants are simply based on a lack of information?

[Pete F.]

They should give the job to Jared, he managed to secure a half a billion dollar loan from the Middle East to save his failing NYC building and if that’s not good corruption I don’t know what is.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not at all what she said. Pete, do you ever get the feeling that say 80% of your inane rants are simply based on a lack of information?

it’s exactly what she said, and it was last year.

here is senator tim scott reading her own stated, written positions back to her. is scott lying? is he reading someone else’s words? or are you just wrong, again and again and again? she’s been grilled in this all day. not once did she say “i’m sorry, i didn’t write that.”.

https://www.scott.senate.gov/media-c...f-the-currency
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not at all what she said. Pete, do you ever get the feeling that say 80% of your inane rants are simply based on a lack of information?

Haaaaaa….bidenesque
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Haaaaaa….bidenesque
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yeah there’s a biden typo in there.

meanwhile
i have videos of people
reading her written words. but spence denies she ever wrote it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

meanwhile
i have videos of people
reading her written words. but spence denies she ever wrote it.

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Not the first time….
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Not the first time….
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he’s not always wrong, for sure. but he can never, ever, just admit a liberal was way wrong.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here is senator tim scott reading her own stated, written positions back to her. is scott lying? is he reading someone else’s words?

It's not her stated position at all, it's an academic thought piece that in her own words...

As stated from the outset, the Article is meant to
be a synthesizing, boundary-defining exercise. Its goal is not to
repackage or refine familiar prescriptions but to expand the scope—and
to sharpen the focus—of the currently fragmented public debate on
what “democratizing finance” means in today’s complex world.

Academics do this stuff all the time. I'm not saying she wouldn't be harder on banks.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not her stated position at all, it's an academic thought piece that in her own words...



Academics do this stuff all the time. I'm not saying she wouldn't be harder on banks.

it’s purely hypothetical to say that american financial institutions are an azzhole business?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s purely hypothetical to say that american financial institutions are an azzhole business?
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I think that was said during a speaking engagement, colorful language but really not that off base. Much of the financial industry is ruthless.