Lie-awatha is at it again

[Jim in CT]

Senator Warren says Elon Musk is a free loader who doesn’t pay his fair share.

Musk will reportedly pay $11 billion in federal taxes for 2021.

We can talk all we want about how unfair it is that someone is worth tens of billions of dollars while others struggle, and you get zero argument from me that it’s unfair.

But paying $11 billion sure isn’t freeloading.

Princess Lies Through Her Teeth is a US Senator in the party which also controls the House and the white house. so if they want to make the federal income taxes more progressive, who’s stopping them?

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.

Takes one to know one Jim.

And please stop mocking my heritage, it's not a good look.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Takes one to know one Jim.

And please stop mocking my heritage, it's not a good look.

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"Takes one to know one Jim"

I am cracking up over this, not angry at all.

If you don't care that she hijacked your heritage for personal gain, it would appear you aren't actually that sensitive to it. So spare us your selective, fake outrage.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you don't care that she hijacked your heritage for personal gain, it would appear you aren't actually that sensitive to it. So spare us your selective, fake outrage.

I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain. She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood. She just can't trace it back to the Dawes Rolls.

Musk has paid no tax previously despite billions in income. He says he's against government assistance yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain. She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood. She just can't trace it back to the Dawes Rolls.

Musk has paid no tax previously despite billions in income. He says he's against government assistance yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite.

"I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain"

I agree.

But getting a gig at Harvard paying 400k a year, would qualify as a good example of personal gain.

"She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood"

Yes, and if I remember correctly, her Native American DNA was between 1/64th and 1/512th of her total DNA.

Musk has paid no tax previously"

Did he break the law? If he didn't break the law, and you're unhappy with his taxes, then your issue is with the tax law. Right now, your side controls the entire federal government, so if you're unhappy with tax law, guess who that means you have a beef with?

As of 2020, Tesla had 71,000 employees in the US. That's 71,000 jobs created, 71,000 families whose livelihood Musk is responsible for. That, plus $11 billion in taxes this year. Are we entitled to more than $11 billion from him?

"yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite"

Again, take it up with your congressional delegation if you think federal policy is so stupid. Do you pay more than the law says you must? If the federal government offers subsidies to makers of electric cars, Musk should turn that money down, and give an advantage to his competitors?

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But getting a gig at Harvard paying 400k a year, would qualify as a good example of personal gain.

There's no evidence this had any impact on her being hired.

Yes, and if I remember correctly, her Native American DNA was between 1/64th and 1/512th of her total DNA.

Amount of blood usually only matters if the tribe distributes revenue from say a casino or other business. The Cherokee tribe grants citizenship to any amount of blood as long as you have the right documentation. She still shouldn't have checked the box but this scandal is so freaking overblown it's ridiculous.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

There's no evidence this had any impact on her being hired.


Amount of blood usually only matters if the tribe distributes revenue from say a casino or other business. The Cherokee tribe grants citizenship to any amount of blood as long as you have the right documentation. She still shouldn't have checked the box but this scandal is so freaking overblown it's ridiculous.

harvard bragged about her being a native american in one obscure publication. but you’re going to deny that being a minority, helps one get a job at harvard? i remember the awful
movie Soul Man, everyone who saw that movie understood that there are affirmative action type advantages of not being white.

“she shouldn’t have checked the box”

why? all you’ve done is say she’s correct, and don’t benefit at all. so why shouldn’t she have checked that bix?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

harvard bragged about her being a native american in one obscure publication.

They noted one Native American on a list to promote diversity, AFTER SHE WAS HIRED AND CHECKED THE BOX.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

They noted one Native American on a list to promote diversity, AFTER SHE WAS HIRED AND CHECKED THE BOX.

which means they were bragging about her, which means there’s an obvious incentive for a con artist to dishonestly check the box.

i still don’t know why you say she shouldnt have checked the box, since you clearly believe her claim.
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[Pete F.]

Since 1995, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth. The bottom half took 2%.

The last time things were this imbalanced was the period right before the Great Depression. Hard for people to survive when all the money goes to those who don't need it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Senator Warren says Elon Musk is a free loader who doesn’t pay his fair share.

Musk will reportedly pay $11 billion in federal taxes for 2021.

We can talk all we want about how unfair it is that someone is worth tens of billions of dollars while others struggle, and you get zero argument from me that it’s unfair.

But paying $11 billion sure isn’t freeloading.

Princess Lies Through Her Teeth is a US Senator in the party which also controls the House and the white house. so if they want to make the federal income taxes more progressive, who’s stopping them?

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.

So a D Senator who actually has Indian blood and who you thinks is a liar gets you more upset than having almost all R Senators (and like 2/3 of all Rs ) lying about who won the last election.

Seems like the Rs are the ones who are lying, bitter, angry and more and more unlikeable little shrews.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So a D Senator who actually has Indian blood and who you thinks is a liar gets you more upset than having almost all R Senators (and like 2/3 of all Rs ) lying about who won the last election.

Seems like the Rs are the ones who are lying, bitter, angry and more and more unlikeable little shrews.

she’s got as much indian blood as many, many people who don’t claim to be native american. she made that claim, in an application for a job at harvard paying $400,000 a year.

if you don’t sense anything the least but suspicious about that, of course that’s your right.

i’m very upset about republicans believing that stupid lie. i don’t like it at all, it undermines our credibility.

Fair enough? i’m much more concerned about republicans believing the big lie. at the same time it’s hysterical that this fraud of a senator ( its ok for her to get rich off college students, and it’s ok for her to get rich flipping foreclosures, but she says it’s immoral when everyone else does it - does that upset YOU?) calls someone a freeloader who has created 70,000 jobs in the US and is about to pay more than $10 billion in federal income tax.

He’s contributed infinitely more than Princess Spreading Bull ever will.

But he’s a freeloader.

Makes all kinds of sense.

Paul, what’s your opinion of a senator who makes tons of money off of college students and flipping foreclosed houses, who at the same time shrieks in front of cameras that it’s immoral for banks to do the same exact thing? why is it ok when she does it? why is she entitled to enrich herself in ways she’d deny to others?

Looking forward to your answer.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

she’s got as much indian blood as many, many people who don’t claim to be native american. she made that claim, in an application for a job at harvard paying $400,000 a year.

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She has Indian blood and it is HER choice to state if she recognizes as Indian or not. If others don't want to, it is up to them.

So Harvard hired her bc she said she was an Indian and not bc she had a law degree and had taught at other schools? Can you pls. show me doc. where Harvard said that?

How did she make "tons of money off college students"? Was she selling them things?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

She has Indian blood and it is HER choice to state if she recognizes as Indian or not. If others don't want to, it is up to them.

So Harvard hired her bc she said she was an Indian and not bc she had a law degree and had taught at other schools? Can you pls. show me doc. where Harvard said that?

How did she make "tons of money off college students"? Was she selling them things?

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat?

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

Actually she was recruited for the position because of her stellar resume. The checked the Native American box for the directory after she was hired. The two main people who recommended Harvard hire her were interview and said that no idea of any claimed native heritage.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school facultybut you are claiming something else - that she was hired BECAUSE she claimed she was Indian. . they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat? Well, you're making the accusation but don't seem to have any (zero) proof of the claim.

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post. I don't think you and I would ever be friends.

So bc she was paid 400k she was "making tons of money off college students". So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat?

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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Ah, Stable Genius II
She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family.
Now tell us how as a purportedly rational person you decried that behavior and then support Mnuchin, or is he another guy you don’t really like
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ah, Stable Genius II
She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family.
Now tell us how as a purportedly rational person you decried that behavior and then support Mnuchin, or is he another guy you don’t really like
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"She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family."

Which is fine.

The problem is, she attached banks for doing the same thing she did. She also got very rich off the backs of students who took out loans to pay her massive salary, but again, she says it's immoral for anyone else to profit off student loans.

No hypocrisy there? None?

"then support Mnuchin"

I generally have no use for Manchin (is that you you mean?), he talks like a Republican at home to get votes, then goes to DC and votes like Chuck Schumer. I don't like him, but I'm glad he torpedoed this bill. Though I'd bet he's holding out for more pork for WV, I don't believe he actually voted on principle. He has positioned himself as the most powerful person in the country right now. Even the president has to kiss his ring.

But I doubt you were critical of McCain when he killed Republican attempts to revise Obamacare. If that's heroic, so is what Manchin did. What's good for the goose...

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family."

Which is fine.

Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it.

The problem is, she attached banks for doing the same thing she did.

SHE DID NOT

Please Jim, if you're so objective as you say do a little homework.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it.


SHE DID NOT

Please Jim, if you're so objective as you say do a little homework.

Christ you are laughably wrong on this one...

"Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it."

From the article below...

One such property she bought for $30,000, then sold for $145,000 five months later, a 383 per cent mark-up.

Sooo, either you are ignorant, or lying, or you don't consider a 383% return in 5 months to be "much".

That's one of many properties.

"SHE DID NOT"

Well, you have it in CAPS, and that bestows instant credibility on any falsehood, right?

She called the mortgage industry a "deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sed-homes.html

Here, poor Warren claims that the foreclosures "threaten our economy".

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=101611260

So those "dangerous mortgages" were swell when they benefitted her.

SHE DID DO. NYAH, NYAH, NYAH.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post. I don't think you and I would ever be friends.

So bc she was paid 400k she was "making tons of money off college students". So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?

"Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post."

You responded to part of it, and ignored my question. Was my question offensive? I'm very sorry.

"So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?"

I didn't make $400,000 a year for working part time, teaching one class I believe. I made good money with ridiculous benefits, but I don't know that anyone would say I was making what she was making..

You dodged my question for a second time, which means you know you can't respond, but you can't bring yourself to admit what we all know, that she will demonize people for doing exactly what she herself has done.

Maybe a different question is more palatable to you?...would you call Elon Musk ( who helped create 71,000 jobs in this country, and who will pay more than $10 billion in income taxes for 2021, a "freeloader"?

What has Warren done, which can compare to that?

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sooo, either you are ignorant, or lying, or you don't consider a 383% return in 5 months to be "much".

I'm astounded you're trusted with numbers at work. It's not a 383% return. Take out the lending feeds, materials, labor and insurance to do the work and the net return is a fraction of this. As most of these houses were bought to family to renovate it's worth assuming they enjoyed most if not all of the profit.

She called the mortgage industry a "deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages"

Which they were.

Here, poor Warren claims that the foreclosures "threaten our economy".

So those "dangerous mortgages" were swell when they benefitted

My last post on this, the banks were making predatory loans then aggressively foreclosing on people who couldn't afford it. This is nothing like what Warren was doing.

If you can't grasp this I'm astounded, again.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm astounded you're trusted with numbers at work. It's not a 383% return. Take out the lending feeds, materials, labor and insurance to do the work and the net return is a fraction of this. As most of these houses were bought to family to renovate it's worth assuming they enjoyed most if not all of the profit.


Which they were.


My last post on this, the banks were making predatory loans then aggressively foreclosing on people who couldn't afford it. This is nothing like what Warren was doing.

If you can't grasp this I'm astounded, again.

i totally understand why you announced you’re not posting here again.

when banks profit from foreclosures, they also have expenses, legal fees, real estate broker fees, etc.

as always with liberals, it’s ok when she does it, heartless when anyone else does it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't make $400,000 a year for working part time, teaching one class I believe. I made good money with ridiculous benefits, but I don't know that anyone would say I was making what she was making..
No, but you yourself admit you made good compensation - teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level w/o a law degree and prior experience at other schools (and not at the elite college level). Would it be appropriate for a person making min. wage to claim you were "making tons of money off grammer school kids" as they could consider your pay outrageous? Sounds like you and Warren were paid the standard rate for their position based on the need and your experience. Plus if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards her salary.
You dodged my question for a second time, which means you know you can't respond, but you can't bring yourself to admit what we all know, that she will demonize people for doing exactly what she herself has done.

Maybe a different question is more palatable to you?...would you call Elon Musk ( who helped create 71,000 jobs in this country, and who will pay more than $10 billion in income taxes for 2021, a "freeloader"?

What has Warren done, which can compare to that?

Well what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?

I agree w/her that the rich don't pay their fair share by how many accumulate their wealth (stock), borrow against it and never pay their fair share in taxes. I don't agree with the proposal to tax wealth but something has to be be done. What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?

I agree w/her that the rich don't pay their fair share by how many accumulate their wealth (stock), borrow against it and never pay their fair share in taxes. I don't agree with the proposal to tax wealth but something has to be be done. What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

"you yourself admit you made good compensation"

I htink I made about $40k a year when I stopped. One tenth of Warren.

"teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level "

No, sorry, SHE taught one class (I believe) at Harvard when she was making 400k.

Paul, here's the difference.. I wasn't telling others doing what I did, that they were evil. Warren did that. She said it was immoral to profit from students taking out loans. Yes she did exactly that, she profited quite nicely.

"if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards here salary."

Cash is fungible, come on. You can't say any one kids tuition goes to any one expense.


"what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?"


"Everyone else" isn't calling him a freeloader.

I tried a few times, you keep dodging. You don't usually do that like this.

Have a great holiday, hope you are all happy and safe.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

he paid what he owed. $0.


there’s no taxable income until you liquidate an asset.

We’re getting $11 billion from one guy. That’s not enough?

if you have a house, it’s worth a lot right now. you should have to pay taxes on that, before you sell it?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"you yourself admit you made good compensation"

I htink I made about $40k a year when I stopped. One tenth of Warren.

"teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level "

No, sorry, SHE taught one class (I believe) at Harvard when she was making 400k.

Paul, here's the difference.. I wasn't telling others doing what I did, that they were evil. Warren did that. She said it was immoral to profit from students taking out loans. Yes she did exactly that, she profited quite nicely.

"if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards here salary."

Cash is fungible, come on. You can't say any one kids tuition goes to any one expense.


"what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?"


"Everyone else" isn't calling him a freeloader.

I tried a few times, you keep dodging. You don't usually do that like this.

Have a great holiday, hope you are all happy and safe.

Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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my bad, the way I wrote that, anyone would think i meant i taught only one class. Some days i wish i only had one class!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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One last time.

Warren profited from a system
that gets a ton of revenue from students taking out loans.

Warren also said it was evil
for others ( banks) to do the same thing.

it has nothing to do with me or with other teachers or with the price of tea in China. Just her.

Why is it unethical for banks to profit from student loans, but no big deal when she does it?

Same thing with foreclosed homes. It was ok for her to profit from other people’s misfortune, but she says it’s bad when banks do the same
exact thing?

All that matters, is Warren saying that those two things are immoral, when she herself was doing them.

others were teaching at harvard, others made money flipping foreclosures. she’s not the only one. but she was a us senator saying on national tv that making money that way is evil.
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[Jim in CT]

and if the democrats want a wealth tax, what’s stopping them
from implementing one? Do we need to remind Warren that she’s a US Senator from the party that controls the entire federal government? I love it when they act like they’re helpless to do anything. Tell her to write to her congressman i guess, like the rest of us.
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