Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

     

Left Nav S-B Home Register FAQ Members List S-B on Facebook Arcade WEAX Tides Buoys Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Right Nav

Left Container Right Container
 

Go Back   Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating » Striper Chat - Discuss stuff other than fishing ~ The Scuppers and Political talk » Political Threads

Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi:

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-13-2018, 06:18 PM   #31
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 32,300
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS View Post
I wonder if it had anything to do with Tillerson calling Trump a moron
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Surely that had influence. How related to the Russia thing is what gets me in a bunch.

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 06:20 PM   #32
Pete F.
Master tråd morder
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
Posts: 2,896
Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
The reason that I don't see what anti-trumpers want me to see is that they present innuendo, conjecture, and contradiction without hard evidence of conspiracy and then claim there is something to see.

For instance, Pete F. posts a 6 point list of things Putin supposedly wants:
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers

and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.
I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
The Emporer has no clothes
Spelling on a phone sucks
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Pete

"No one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark"
Warsan Shire

Time will tell
Pete F. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 06:42 PM   #33
zimmy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.
Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
zimmy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 06:43 PM   #34
detbuch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,331
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
The Emporer has no clothes
Spelling on a phone sucks
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.

If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me?
detbuch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 07:06 PM   #35
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 17,732
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy View Post
Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
The de-Bathification of the Iraqi government and military will go down as perhaps the biggest foreign policy blunder we've ever seen in this generation.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 11:22 PM   #36
Nebe
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Nebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: newpawht
Posts: 19,922
Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.

If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me?
I bet the Russian government has video of trump and some Russian hookers getting down in a hotel room. Maybe they are peeing on him. Trump knows they have dirt on him and is going to do what ever it takes to keep it under wraps. The Russians have a word for this type of thing. “ Kompromat” or compromising information. Things don’t add up when you look at his behavior in an objective way.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Nebe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2018, 03:46 AM   #37
wdmso
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
Posts: 2,121
Another Aid gets the boot only to land on his feet in Trump re election teat ..i mean Team his golf caddy is the only 1 left

Mr McEntee was fired amid a US Department of Homeland Security investigation against him for financial crimes

Trump's re-election campaign manager, Brad Parscale

We need the help of proven leaders such as... John to promote the President's growing portfolio of achievements across the country."


"serious financial crimes"or any crimes equal proven leaders in the Trump administration
wdmso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2018, 06:44 AM   #38
Pete F.
Master tråd morder
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
Posts: 2,896
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe View Post
I bet the Russian government has video of trump and some Russian hookers getting down in a hotel room. Maybe they are peeing on him. Trump knows they have dirt on him and is going to do what ever it takes to keep it under wraps. The Russians have a word for this type of thing. “ Kompromat” or compromising information. Things don’t add up when you look at his behavior in an objective way.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
My bet is he received loans tied to Russian money when he could get loans nowhere else (Ask Don jr) and he laundered money thru real estate for Russian Oligarchs (trump tower sales) of course that is just being a businessman.

Pete

"No one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark"
Warsan Shire

Time will tell
Pete F. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2018, 08:09 AM   #39
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 4,165
Rex is gone, most of DJT's original cabinet gone and now when we need a firm response to back the UK; Trump fires Rex in the most unprofessional and disrespectful way possible. I think the only difference between the two is Trump fires people that don't kiss his arse and lick his golf shoes and Putin kills them.
Got Stripers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2018, 08:11 AM   #40
Raven
........
iTrader: (0)
 
Raven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,745
Blog Entries: 1
Thumbs up re/: fired by tweet

rep eric said
quote:
Gloat now, but you will be fired soon. And it’s not going to be done cowardly, as you’ve done to so many who’ve served you. There’s a storm gathering, Mr. President, and it’s going to wipe out you and your corrupt organization all the way down to the studs.


all the way down to the studs -love that
Raven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2018, 12:27 PM   #41
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 4,165
What studs, Trump throws the studs out before the nails are driven. You don’t do his bidding, speak out against his proposed actions or god forbid be potentially helping the Russia investigation are your fired. Your not even given the courtesy of a professional and respectful termination; the thin skinned coward fires you via tweeter. With Russia brazenly looking at all sorts of ways to disrupt our way of life and especially with the recent revelation about how deep into our utilities they have hacked and the murders in the U.K.; what a wonderful time to undermine the FBI.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Got Stripers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 03:09 PM   #42
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 4,165
I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Got Stripers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 04:13 PM   #43
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 32,300
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
I do too.

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 06:52 PM   #44
Pete F.
Master tråd morder
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
Posts: 2,896
I agree also
And for those wondering
“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections. And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election.”
www.mccain.senate.go…
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Pete F. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 07:08 PM   #45
PaulS
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
PaulS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,092
Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
PaulS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 07:30 PM   #46
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 32,300
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS View Post
Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Out country is not exactly innocent but if you draw a moral equivalent between US, PRC, and RUS you need to revisit who the really bad guys are.

If the US steps back on the world stage do you think RUS or PRC is going to do a better job??

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 08:20 PM   #47
PaulS
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
PaulS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,092
President Trump, asked by an interviewer on Saturday why he respected President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia even though he is “a killer,” seemed to equate Mr. Putin’s actions with those of the United States.

“You got a lot of killers,” he told the interviewer, Bill O’Reilly of Fox News. “What, you think our country’s so innocent?”
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
PaulS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2018, 08:28 PM   #48
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 32,300
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS View Post
President Trump, asked by an interviewer on Saturday why he respected President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia even though he is “a killer,” seemed to equate Mr. Putin’s actions with those of the United States.

“You got a lot of killers,” he told the interviewer, Bill O’Reilly of Fox News. “What, you think our country’s so innocent?”
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

And we agree he is a tool.

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Please use all necessary and proper safety precautions. STAY SAFE Striper Talk Forums
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com