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10-01-2019, 02:17 PM
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If Hunter Biden Is Fair Game, So Are Trump’s Kids
Defenders of Trump would seem to be conceding that a President Kamala Harris could pressure foreign leaders to investigate Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka Trump for corrupt business dealings.
President Donald Trump’s forceful claims that he did nothing wrong in his conversation with Ukraine’s head of state squares with his short-term political interests. But he’s setting a perilous precedent for his children.
That wrinkle struck me when I read a defense of Trump in National Review by the Republican political consultant Luke Thompson. In Thompson’s telling, the government has a compelling interest in knowing whether its private citizens are engaged in corruption abroad. Hunter Biden’s actions, he argued, create the appearance of a conflict of interest, and “anything that Hunter Biden touched that intersected, however tangentially, with the official doings and responsibilities of his father can be presumed to be a worthy subject of investigation.”
Trump is within his rights to seek information about the matter from his counterparts abroad, Thompson continued; there is nothing wrong with him “using leverage to get answers,” and Joe Biden running for office changes nothing, in part because the national interest is presumptively served by those questions, “even if they also align with Trump’s perceived political self-interest.” As Thompson put it on a National Review podcast, “Venal motives are not in and of themselves a problem.”
Defenders of Trump on this matter would seem to be conceding that a President Kamala Harris could pressure foreign leaders to investigate Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka Trump for corrupt business dealings in their respective countries, marshaling the leverage of U.S. foreign policy to secure answers.
The inquiry could extend to anything related, however tangentially, to the official doings and responsibilities of their father, which would plausibly encompass nearly all of the Trump Organization’s actions around the world.
Harris could run the whole operation through a personal attorney chosen for his or her personal and political loyalty, bypassing the procedures and checks against corruption embedded within the federal bureaucracy. And she could do this to the Trump kids even if one of them were running against her for president––indeed, it would not even matter if her motives were obviously venal.
So, Trump supporters: Do you think, as I do, that it would be an abuse of power for President Harris to investigate Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka in this fashion? Or are you okay with the precedent that Trump is trying to set?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...uption/599176/ |
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10-01-2019, 04:20 PM
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But Hillary
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10-01-2019, 04:31 PM
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But Hillary
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Who??
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10-01-2019, 06:52 PM
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Pete,does this mean that Trumps children were previously untouchable?
Liberal fool
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10-02-2019, 06:26 AM
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Pete,does this mean that Trumps children were previously untouchable?
Liberal fool
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10-02-2019, 06:46 AM
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Let 'em all pay.
Hunter Biden is a a Coke fueled "Know A Guy" that got booted from the Navy after Daddy helped him get in as a 2 year old Ensign. And he was qualified to be on the board of a Ukranian Gas Company?
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10-02-2019, 06:53 AM
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Pete,does this mean that Trumps children were previously untouchable?
Liberal fool
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not even the little guy was spared.
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10-02-2019, 06:54 AM
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pete he has a point, it’s not as if trumps kids have been off
limits...
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10-02-2019, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Let 'em all pay.
Hunter Biden is a a Coke fueled "Know A Guy" that got booted from the Navy after Daddy helped him get in as a 2 year old Ensign. And he was qualified to be on the board of a Ukranian Gas Company?
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and he was awarded this plum position, when his dad the VP was named by Obama to be the point person on Ukraine.
That’s just a coincidence.
i’m not saying that kind of
nepotism doesn’t happen on the right. but let’s call this what it clearly is.
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10-02-2019, 08:01 AM
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I guess you guys will have to vote for someone for President outside the Political class and not a Russian Puppet.
Some Republicans argue that Hunter Biden’s job might be legal but still doesn’t look right — because he appeared to be trading on his connection to his father.
They have a point. Hunter Biden is only the latest in a long line of relatives of elected leaders who appear to have used their names to open doors. In recent decades, Presidents Nixon, Carter, Clinton and George W. Bush all had troublesome family members.
Which brings us to three other children: Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump.
Donald Jr. and Eric run the Trump Organization, which their father still owns. They have promised to seek no new foreign deals while he is president, but they are still building real estate projects that were announced before his inauguration, and they say they will resume making deals after he leaves office.
Those self-imposed rules come with loopholes: Donald Jr. has met with wealthy prospective buyers in Indonesia, India and other countries since Trump took office.
Ivanka Trump, officially an advisor to the president, operated her fashion company for a year and a half after entering the White House. She closed it in 2018, saying it had become a distraction.
Meanwhile, she collected dozens of trademark grants in China under applications she filed before her father’s inauguration. In 2017, she received three trademarks on the same day she and her father dined with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago.
Anything illegal there? Not at all. But would she have been able to chat up the leader of the world’s second-largest economy if her father wasn’t president? Not a chance.
Just as with Hunter Biden, foreign governments and others see opportunities to curry favor by doing financial favors for a high official’s family.
On Sunday, Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin explained what he thought was wrong about the Biden case.
“What I do find inappropriate is the fact that Vice President Biden’s son did very significant business dealings in Ukraine,” he said.
Wouldn’t that restriction cover Trump’s children?
Mnuchin fumbled. “I don’t want to get into more of the details,” he said, then insisted that the Trump deals “pre-dated his presidency.”
Nonsense. If Trump’s kids get a pass for cashing in while their dad sits in the Oval Office, Hunter Biden does too.
But let’s give Mnuchin credit for proposing, if only inadvertently, a very sensible “Mnuchin Rule”: relatives of the president and vice president should not engage in “significant business dealings” abroad. Sorry, kids. That means you too, Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr.
Critics of President Trump accused him of nepotism during the early days of his presidency when his daughter and her husband ended up with government jobs. However, a brief glance at American history shows many incidents of high-up government positions given to presidents' family members. It is hardly a rare occurrence in Washington, nor is it a particularly new phenomenon.
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10-02-2019, 08:23 AM
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senate democrats, the ones in purple and red states, have said they are concerned that impeachment talk will help the gop retain the senate.
i’m guessing you didn’t see that story in the feeds you get from George Soros.
if you believe he committed an impeachable offense, then you should move forward with
impeachment. but theres a chance that helps trump get re elected. it may also doom trump in 2020. but it’s not as risk free as the child AOC thinks it is.
and when congresswoman Talib has been openly raising money selling “impeach the morherf*cker” t shirts ( very classy and ladylike) for a long time now, i can’t help but wonder if the democrats simply made up their minds on impeachment a long time ago, and never stopped looking for dirt. they may well have convicted trump first simply because they hate him, then found the crime to hang their hats on. not supposed to work that way, not that trump is gracious to those who disagree with him.
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10-02-2019, 08:38 AM
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senate democrats, the ones in purple and red states, have said they are concerned that impeachment talk will help the gop retain the senate.
i’m guessing you didn’t see that story in the feeds you get from George Soros.
if you believe he committed an impeachable offense, then you should move forward with
impeachment. but theres a chance that helps trump get re elected. it may also doom trump in 2020. but it’s not as risk free as the child AOC thinks it is.
and when congresswoman Talib has been openly raising money selling “impeach the morherf*cker” t shirts ( very classy and ladylike) for a long time now, i can’t help but wonder if the democrats simply made up their minds on impeachment a long time ago, and never stopped looking for dirt. they may well have convicted trump first simply because they hate him, then found the crime to hang their hats on. not supposed to work that way, not that trump is gracious to those who disagree with him.
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10-02-2019, 08:54 AM
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yup that’s me.
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10-02-2019, 09:13 AM
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yup that’s me.
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If you were a FRESHMAN Representative in the House you would have just as much political effect as you do here, but then again nowadays we elect people with no political experience who say obnoxious things to the Presidency.
The Citrus Caligula has elevated her far beyond her position and convinced the uneducated that she has some power.
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10-02-2019, 09:16 AM
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If you were a FRESHMAN Representative in the House you would have just as much political effect as you do here, but then again nowadays we elect people with no political experience who say obnoxious things to the Presidency.
The Citrus Caligula has elevated her far beyond her position and convinced the uneducated that she has some power.
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i’m pretty sure my political effect here is identical to yours, and i’m
using 1% of the server bandwidth that you are.
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10-02-2019, 09:26 AM
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i’m pretty sure my political effect here is identical to yours, and i’m
using 1% of the server bandwidth that you are.
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You win
My Posts Per Day: 0.85
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10-02-2019, 09:30 AM
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You win
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again, moving the goalposts. i said bandwidth, space. who takes
up more?
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10-02-2019, 09:39 AM
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again, moving the goalposts. i said bandwidth, space. who takes
up more?
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You'll have to come up with your own numbers to disprove me. |
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10-02-2019, 09:45 AM
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Let 'em all pay.
Hunter Biden is a a Coke fueled "Know A Guy" that got booted from the Navy after Daddy helped him get in as a 2 year old Ensign. And he was qualified to be on the board of a Ukranian Gas Company?
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the China story is far more disturbing |
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10-02-2019, 09:50 AM
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You'll have to come up with your own numbers to disprove me.
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ok, so you don’t concede you routinely make very long posts. got it. i would have zero idea how to prove it, but i’m pretty comfortable with my statement.
are you capable of admitting anything that doesn’t serve your agenda?
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10-02-2019, 09:52 AM
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ok, so you don’t concede you routinely make very long posts. got it. i would have zero idea how to prove it, but i’m pretty comfortable with my statement.
are you capable of admitting anything that doesn’t serve your agenda?
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peto is completely insane...don't argue with him....just be amused  |
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