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08-01-2006, 12:05 PM
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And so the mode of death (crucifixion), the legal system in force (with Pilate as having ultimate authority in capital cases), the official charge against Jesus ("the King of the Jews"), and the identity of those crucified with Jesus (lestai) all point in the same direction. The ultimate legal and moral responsibility for Jesus' death lay with Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judea between a.d. 26 and 36. Pontius Pilate killed Jesus.
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They both killed Jesus...... |
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08-01-2006, 12:06 PM
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Didn't Jesus know he would be betrayed?
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Exactly....betrayed by the Jews....so why do you hold fast to the idea that only the Romans killed Jesus..??  |
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08-01-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Homerun04
Exactly....betrayed by the Jews....so why do you hold fast to the idea that only the Romans killed Jesus..?? |
Ok, now you're really making a stretch...
So the moral of Judas is that the Jews were out to get Jesus? Don't think so...
I'm sure a Biblical scholar would argue that is was SATAN who killed Jesus anyway, for Satan is the cause of our sins which Jesus died for.
I know the Bible is a long book, but this is a pretty critical element to the story! 
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08-01-2006, 12:21 PM
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So the moral of Judas is that the Jews were out to get Jesus? Don't think so...
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Spence - I think you are mis-understanding me.....I never said the Jews were out to get Jesus....but, there is NO question historically nor biblically that YES - the Jewish priests were out to get Jesus....no question about that one, and that they brided Judas to betray Jesus....it wasn't the Romans who bribed Judas....again no question about these facts.
Yes the Bible is a critical element to the story......which I have read many times cover to cover.... |
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08-01-2006, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Homerun04
Spence - I think you are mis-understanding me.....I never said the Jews were out to get Jesus....but, there is NO question historically nor biblically that YES - the Jewish priests were out to get Jesus....no question about that one, and that they brided Judas to betray Jesus....it wasn't the Romans who bribed Judas....again no question about these facts.
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Homerun, think like a consultant...do your root cause analysis 
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08-01-2006, 12:34 PM
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Homerun, think like a consultant...do your root cause analysis
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Okay Spence (Mr. Consultant)....you tell us then....what was the root cause of Jesus' death then...? The Romans? I don't think so....  |
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08-01-2006, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Homerun04
Okay Spence (Mr. Consultant)....you tell us then....what was the root cause of Jesus' death then...? The Romans? I don't think so.... |
The root cause was Satan as I indicated above.
Judas didn't betray Jesus because he was Jewish, it's because he was guided by evil...the Bible spells this out pretty clearly.
The Jewish leadership that was threatened by Jesus was afraid of his popularity...it was about power, and more Satan.
Granted, the entire thing from birth on up was rigged...which is why I really don't understand all this emotion for the Passion.
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08-01-2006, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Homerun04
They both killed Jesus......
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Kinda like the Pamela Smart Syndrome...
I'll give ya that....The jews had their part in it as well. |
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