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Old 04-04-2016, 04:45 PM   #31
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No evidence of this Jim.
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Yes there is, and we have discussed this. There were at least 2 classified emails, flagged as classified, that made their way to her server. In order to make their way to her server, the flags had to have been removed. The intelligence in question was not generated by the State Dept, and only the agency that produced the intelligence, has the authority to remove the flag. Her defense of that, was her claim (I am trying to remember), something about the fact that what was in teh email, had been reported in the NY Times already?

Anyway, the FBI is part of the DOJ, which is headed by an OBama appointee. And they decided there was reason to spend a lot of time and manpower looking into this. They aren't doing it because Sean Hannity asked them to do it. But naturally, you know more about their procedures than anyone else...
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:49 PM   #32
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-state-secrets

"Clinton’s flimsy claim never to have handled e-mails labeled classified imploded recently when an e-mail sent June 17, 2011, became public. That morning, Clinton’s aide Jacob Sullivan informed her that a document could not reach her via a secure fax. No sweat! Clinton replied, “ . . . turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.” So, Clinton knew about these classified markings and, even worse, instructed her staffer to cover them up and forward her that document via a fax machine vulnerable to spies. Clinton’s “gross negligence” may have violated the federal Espionage Act, 18 U.S. Code § 793."
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:54 PM   #33
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But if Hillary says she didn't do anything that should be good enough for everybody...

I mean Bill Cosby didn't do anything wrong.....it was those other 100+ women making crap up.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:22 PM   #34
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But if Hillary says she didn't do anything that should be good enough for everybody...

I mean Bill Cosby didn't do anything wrong.....it was those other 100+ women making crap up.
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Meanwhile, thanks to you, "the narrative" just tried to commit suicide.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:25 PM   #35
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"Clinton’s flimsy claim never to have handled e-mails labeled classified imploded recently when an e-mail sent June 17, 2011, became public. That morning, Clinton’s aide Jacob Sullivan informed her that a document could not reach her via a secure fax. No sweat! Clinton replied, “ . . . turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.” So, Clinton knew about these classified markings and, even worse, instructed her staffer to cover them up and forward her that document via a fax machine vulnerable to spies. Clinton’s “gross negligence” may have violated the federal Espionage Act, 18 U.S. Code § 793."
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We've discussed this. The request was for unclassified talking points contained within a document on the classified system. That on its on is no indication of wrongdoing by anyone. I'd note the requested information was never even sent via email.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:09 PM   #36
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We've discussed this. The request was for unclassified talking points contained within a document on the classified system. That on its on is no indication of wrongdoing by anyone. I'd note the requested information was never even sent via email.
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She said to fax it, but you probably know better than Hillary what she said...oops I mean what she said in her email. Almost seems as though you hacked her emails also.
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We've discussed this. The request was for unclassified talking points contained within a document on the classified system. That on its on is no indication of wrongdoing by anyone. I'd note the requested information was never even sent via email.
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Newsflash......if it's on a classified system...it's a classified document. Until it has been OK'd for release from said system.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:52 PM   #38
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Newsflash......if it's on a classified system...it's a classified document. Until it has been OK'd for release from said system.
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From what the State Department has said you will find unclassified information on the classified system and that doesn't mean it's illegal to talk about it.

Then again, the State Department review says the incident reported never happened regardless.

So I guess we should hold Clinton to a standard where she's liable for retroactive classification and emails that weren't even ever sent. Nice.
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From what the State Department has said you will find unclassified information on the classified system and that doesn't mean it's illegal to talk about it.

Then again, the State Department review says the incident reported never happened regardless.

So I guess we should hold Clinton to a standard where she's liable for retroactive classification and emails that weren't even ever sent. Nice.
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You will find unclassified on a classified system......but once it gets put on the classified system.....it is not allowed to leave without approval.....and Hillary is not the person allowed to provide that approval

I expect to hold Hillary to the same standards that everybody is held to who deals with classified material.....she's not exempt from proper security practices
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Newsflash......if it's on a classified system...it's a classified document. Until it has been OK'd for release from said system.
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My bad I guess.....I should have said it is "Considered" a classified document.....
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Hillary just lost in Wisconsin.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:06 PM   #42
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You will find unclassified on a classified system......but once it gets put on the classified system.....it is not allowed to leave without approval.....and Hillary is not the person allowed to provide that approval
You're contradicting yourself.
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No I'm not....

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You're not
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My bad I guess.....I should have said it is "Considered" a classified document.....
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My understanding is they were trying to use a secure fax to transmit unclassified talking points.
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My understanding is they were trying to use a secure fax to transmit unclassified talking points.
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We've discussed this. The request was for unclassified talking points contained within a document on the classified system.
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Now who is contradicting themselves....or at the very least changing their story.

No such thing as non classified talking points on a classified document......if a document is labeled classified......everything with in it......including the page number......is classified
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Now who is contradicting themselves....or at the very least changing their story.

No such thing as non classified talking points on a classified document......if a document is labeled classified......everything with in it......including the page number......is classified
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I was referring to the secure fax as part of the system. There are multiple ways to transmit electronically as you're well aware.
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Hillary just lost in Wisconsin.
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And Sanders picked up a massive 10 delegates. Didn't even budge the needle.

Nebe, did you see the interview Friday where Sanders couldn't even answer basic questions about how he would break up big banks...his signature policy issue?
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Well Sanders just said he believes gun dealers and gun manufacturers should be subject to victims of gun violence. That's going to cost him.
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Well Sanders just said he believes gun dealers and gun manufacturers should be subject to victims of gun violence. That's going to cost him.
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Don't think he said that.
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Don't think he said that.
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He said the opposite as I recall, that they COULD NOT be sued by the victims families, which I would agree with.

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I heard him say it just before I posted (4/6) that he said it but could only find this reference without digging more.

There is a 47 second clip further down the page that has Sanders speaking on this where he does say at the end that the manufacturer should be liable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-able-sue.html

This also wasn't what I heard him say on the 6th but it is as close as I could find.

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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
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So what's the verdict on Hillary and Bernie, do they both want the gun manufacturer liable or not for gun violence? I say they both want people to sue the gun manufacturers to try and drive them out of business.
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Bernie doesn't
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Go to the source

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/
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I went to the video of him speaking, I posted a link because I don't know how to get the 47 second video from the link. 28 seconds in he says they should be held liable.
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I went to the video of him speaking, I posted a link because I don't know how to get the 47 second video from the link. 28 seconds in he says they should be held liable.
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This might be the only time I have seen him flip flop on something.
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