How many of you Libs believed this B.S.

[buckman]

Just post here how proud you were to vote for this guy. Come on raise your hand. http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

[The Dad Fisherman]

Judging from the link you posted....looks like you are.

[PaulS]

After seeing how bad the repub. screwed up this country for the last 8 years, I'd for a liberal Muslim, who smoked crack and had a wife who called white people "whitey"!

[Crafty Angler]

And the alternative was what - Grampa Munster with one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave and Caribou Barbie?

If you thought Bush was a dimwit how about the possibility of a President Palin...

For chrissakes, if brains were dynamite, she couldn't blow her nose.

Bush set the bar so low that the GOP thought she was viable....now that's scary.

[JohnnyD]

*raises hand high*

Feel free to ask me again in 10 months, I'm sure the answer will be the same.

At least this time you posted a website that contains some actual facts.

[sokinwet]

*raises hand high*

ditto

[likwid]

Judging from the reactions of a major player in the lobbying scene that I sail for, its not BS. At all.

[RIJIMMY]

I beleive Buckmans post was meant for you to look at what O said he would do and then compare to what he HAS done, in the brief time he has been president, a few GLARING examples (taken as fact fo JohnnyD)

1.End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent.

RIJ - the stimulus bill was drafted behind closed doors by a few democrat congressmen. there were numerous and costly pieces of junk, that many of you have acknowledged, and O has said there is no wasteful sepnding or earmarks in the bill. Seems pretty clear to me he broke promise 1.

2.Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

RIJ - I am pretty sure he will classify the stiumlus as "emergency" but I think spending close to a trillion $ is a bill the public should review and gets to the very heart to what Obama was trying to do. I guarantee he will not.

Maybe it would be beneficial for you to review his promises and what he has done in a VERY short amount of time......

[RIJIMMY]

Spend Taxpayer Money Wisely


I wont even BEGIN to comment on this one.........

[buckman]

Thanks RIJIMMY, I guess they still believe in change. Never mind little details like it was all B.S. It's no surprise to them that he broke most of his pledges in the first month. They expected it I guess. For all the crap they give me,Obama gets a free pass. What I say on this site means nothing( insert joke here), What Obama pledged to do and what he is doing will change our childrens lifes and the country we leave them. But, thats just not very important to them. How much longer will he be campaigning against Bush? When will he start to lead? It appears to me that he's getting led around like a dog on a leash

[BigBo]

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

*raises hand high*

Feel free to ask me again in 10 months, I'm sure the answer will be the same.

At least this time you posted a website that contains some actual facts.

It's not like any of us mentioned what would happen with one party rule. We just got an agenda rammed down the throats of hardworking American's. Congrats. YOU turned America into Massachusetts. Nothing can be done to stop it short of a revolution. Can't wait for Pelousi,I mean Obama, to start her Supreme Court picks. Then they can change the Constitution.

The truth is your all swallowing hard, sitting on your crossed fingers, hoping and praying you made the right choice for your childrens future because from where I'm sitting, you effed up big time.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

The truth is your all swallowing hard, sitting on your crossed fingers, hoping and praying you made the right choice for your childrens future because from where I'm sitting, you effed up big time.

Well since we sat that way for the last 8 years, welcome to the club.

And no, I never believed all of it. I voted for BHO because I believe he will end up being a fairly middle of the road Dem president. Do I have issues with some of the fat on the stimulus bill? Yup. Do I think all of it is a waste of time and pork? Not even a little bit.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Well since we sat that way for the last 8 years, welcome to the club.

And no, I never believed all of it. I voted for BHO because I believe he will end up being a fairly middle of the road Dem president. Do I have issues with some of the fat on the stimulus bill? Yup. Do I think all of it is a waste of time and pork? Not even a little bit.

Middle of the road!!! Then your answer is,... Yes I believed all his B.S., I had no choice, he had no record for me to go on

[RIROCKHOUND]

No, my answer was:
I could not vote for McCain. Period. Not that he isn't a stand up guy, but his policies, and Palin made him 100% unpalatable for me. Obama was closer to my principals than most of the other candidates. My original pick was Richardson and then Biden, as they are the closest match to my values.

Am I middle of the road. Yes, left of center. Did I believe all the BS and Hype, Nope. But I believed and still do believe in him.

[spence]

Funny how if you voted for Obama you must be Liberal and endorse his policy 100%, where if you voted for Bush you were just trying to protect the country and keep Kerry or Gore from killing us all.

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.

Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.

All elections are not about choosin the "best" but choosing the "least worse".

I'm still confident that my vote for Obama was the right vote.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Funny how if you voted for Obama you must be Liberal and endorse his policy 100%, where if you voted for Bush you were just trying to protect the country and keep Kerry or Gore from killing us all.

That's not the reason I voted for Bush but it's not bad

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.


I was against TARP 1. As were most Conservatives


Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.


This will never happen. You are dreaming. I am having nightmares


All elections are not about choosin the "best" but choosing the "least worse".


I'm still confident that my vote for Obama was the right vote.


-spence

Keep dreaming

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.

Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.

Most conservatives were against?? but the Bush white house still did it... that confuses me.

2. We'll see pretty quick about the website. Maybe you will be right, maybe not. we'll see.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's not like any of us mentioned what would happen with one party rule. We just got an agenda rammed down the throats of hardworking American's. Congrats. YOU turned America into Massachusetts. Nothing can be done to stop it short of a revolution. Can't wait for Pelousi,I mean Obama, to start her Supreme Court picks. Then they can change the Constitution.:claps

The speed in which people forget 8 years of a Republican president and 6 years of a Republican controlled congress is what got us into this mess. Copious amounts of deregulation in congress, combined with the fact that every one of Bush's financial advisers and appointees decided to turn a blind eye are what brought us to where we are now. You want to blame someone for our *current* state - blame your neo-conservative, lord and savior Bush. It is the policies that he drove down our throats resulting in our current state.

Maybe if we didn't dump almost $1trillion into frivolous, republican driven wars in the Middle East, we'd have that money to use here in the US. Or if the entire focus of every political decision was not based on the "War on Terror" or Iran or Arlen Spector (a Republican) investigating the Patriots or my favorite - the republican driven "Freedom Fries" (remember that waste of time?).

As I've said before, for every baseless reason someone wants to give me for why we're in this current economic state and why it's the democrats' fault, I'll give you a dozen more why it's not.

I'm not even taking into consideration the 25 years that the Has-been McCain didn't do a damn thing in Congress and how he'd look like a deer in headlights trying to deal with these issues. He couldn't even manage his campaign and you think he'd manage the country better?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

2. We'll see pretty quick about the website. Maybe you will be right, maybe not. we'll see.

Given what he's proposing in a website, its not going to appear overnight.

WebMD took a year for around 30 people to build.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by likwid

Given what he's proposing in a website, its not going to appear overnight.

WebMD took a year for around 30 people to build.

I'm sure he has the best and brightest money can buy working on it. He has a lot on his plate so I think we should give him a free pass. Hell, he hasn't even finished campaigning against Bush. If any of you can give me the Website I would appreciate it. It ain't gonna happen, Dreamers.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The speed in which people forget 8 years of a Republican president and 6 years of a Republican controlled congress is what got us into this mess. Copious amounts of deregulation in congress, combined with the fact that every one of Bush's financial advisers and appointees decided to turn a blind eye are what brought us to where we are now. You want to blame someone for our *current* state - blame your neo-conservative, lord and savior Bush. It is the policies that he drove down our throats resulting in our current state.

Maybe if we didn't dump almost $1trillion into frivolous, republican driven wars in the Middle East, we'd have that money to use here in the US. Or if the entire focus of every political decision was not based on the "War on Terror" or Iran or Arlen Spector (a Republican) investigating the Patriots or my favorite - the republican driven "Freedom Fries" (remember that waste of time?).

As I've said before, for every baseless reason someone wants to give me for why we're in this current economic state and why it's the democrats' fault, I'll give you a dozen more why it's not.

I'm not even taking into consideration the 25 years that the Has-been McCain didn't do a damn thing in Congress and how he'd look like a deer in headlights trying to deal with these issues. He couldn't even manage his campaign and you think he'd manage the country better?

Who said anything about forgetting. The Democrats were able to filibuster and block many proposals by the Republicans. Checks and balances are no longer in place. Barney Frank was as much to blame as anyone. The real reasons the conservatives lost power was because none of them had the backbone to stand up to their values. They let a minority of Democrats scare them from doing what they believed.


The B.S. you spew about McCain makes me laugh. So you went and voted for a complete unknown, with no voting record and no accomplishments. Brilliant.

Please give me facts as to why the Bush administration caused our plight. The thing you fail to mention when talking about war is the fact that many, many people want you and your children dead. At the very least I believe that is why this President is a danger to us.

It's to bad for the left that the "I told you so's" started so early. Give it time and you a little honesty. You can't be happy how things have started

[justplugit]

"Sunlight before signing" The American Public will have 5 days to view before signing??????????

The Senate didn't even have 5 hours before voting after it came out from behind closed doors.

This bill was the bgigest "lick and a promise" i've ever seen.

[buckman]

yup, that's the new way.This Bill was written in a luxury resort at a Democrat retreat and finalized in behind close door hearings. Got to love the new transparent way of doing things. It's more like the "in your face, we won, you lost, nobody can stop us" way of doing things

[spence]

So from what I understand, Congressional Republicans believe trickle down tax cuts are good, as are some infrastructure projects (assuming the infrastructure is in your state).

But what other government spending do they believe will create jobs?

I'm not hearing of any credible counter proposals from the Right.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not hearing of any credible counter proposals from the Right.
-spence

It's either 'Do Nothing' which they can't afford to do, b/c if things continue to slide, they look even worse for anyone who said 'Do Nothing'

OR it's a case of "You're wrong, but we don't know what right is"

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It's either 'Do Nothing' which they can't afford to do, b/c if things continue to slide, they look even worse for anyone who said 'Do Nothing'

OR it's a case of "You're wrong, but we don't know what right is"

In the case of this bill, I believe the Republicans have made the point that doing nothing is better then adding trillions of dollars of debt for no gain.

Again I ask...what part of this bill do you think will fix our economy? How much of it and specifics.....Take your time.....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

Again I ask...what part of this bill do you think will fix our economy? How much of it and specifics.....Take your time.....

here if You guys need to look up anything here is a copy of the Super Secret, Behind Closed Doors stimulus bill.......Found it online in about 3 minutes.....really hidden away

This is the link to a summary....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...timSummary.pdf

and this is a link to the whole package as drawn up.....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...mamendment.pdf

Have Fun.....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Wow.. who taught you the secret code and handshake?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Wow.. who taught you the secret code and handshake?

ninja secret