OBL(UBL) Killed

[RIROCKHOUND]

So I said before:
If Obama authorized the killing of Bin Laden, some in here would criticize him for the placement location of the bullet.

This seems to be text book.

Didn't ask for permission from Pakistan, didn't use a drone strike. Just flexed some good old USA Muscle and ended it with the Navy seals. Maybe this is why Pakistan has been so pissed at us lately?

what a great day for Americans, and a day every military member should be proud (yourself included Jim) who had a part in the war on terror.

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$5 says it was his bodyguards that pulled the trigger. We just helped them along...OBL had orders he was not to be taken alive and was to be immediately shot by his bodyguards if he was under threat of capture.

Happy to do the helping.......

Now on to YEMEN........

Can the USA fight 4 wars....will they now pull out of Afghanistan...considering this was the stimulus for going in to begin with...

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" Based on statements given by U.S. detainees since the 9/11 attacks, they said, intelligence officials have long known that bin Laden trusted one al-Qaida courier in particular, and they believed he might be living with him in hiding.
Four years ago, the United States learned the man's identity, which officials did not disclose, and then about two years later, they identified areas of Pakistan where he operated. Last August, the man's residence was found, officials said.

"Intelligence analysis concluded that this compound was custom built in 2005 to hide someone of significance," with walls as high as 18 feet and topped by barbed wire, according to one official. Despite the compound's estimated $1 million cost and two security gates, it had no phone or Internet running into the house.

By mid-February, intelligence from multiple sources was clear enough that Obama wanted to "pursue an aggressive course of action," a senior administration official said. Over the next two and a half months, the president led five meetings of the National Security Council focused solely on whether bin Laden was in that compound and, if so, how to get him, the official said."

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BTW

Yesterday marked the 8th anniversary of George W. Bush's "mission accomplished" speech....

[TheSpecialist]

So everyone is going to give Obama all the credit?

It was all military working on a mission until it was complete, all Obama did was give approval to the op, which any president would have done...

[RIROCKHOUND]

No.
GWB deserves credit for this as well, absolutely. The intelligence used began in 2004 if the news accounts are correct.

However, in the last 2.5 years, Obama has clearly not scaled back the efforts to locate OBL, and by many accounts ramped up the efforts in the last 6 months, so yes, as C-I-C he deserves some credit, yes.

but listening to accounts of the helicopter malfunctioning and some of the potential issues as the raid began, the heroes are clearly the Seals on this mission, hands down.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

So everyone is going to give Obama all the credit?

It was all military working on a mission until it was complete, all Obama did was give approval to the op, which any president would have done...

Crazy what happens though when the focus is taken off Bush's war in Iraq and back to where the real war on terrorism should be focused.

This was a win by US intelligence. Then our Special Ops perfectly executed (pun intended) a raid based on that intelligence.

[PaulS]

will the short form death certificate be enough or is the long form with the embossed seal required?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by PaulS

will the short form death certificate be enough or is the long form with the embossed seal required?

Posted this in the other thread:

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Crazy what happens though when the focus is taken off Bush's war in Iraq and back to where the real war on terrorism should be focused.

This was a win by US intelligence. Then our Special Ops perfectly executed (pun intended) a raid based on that intelligence.

I haven't heard anything that suggests that this mission might not have happened if we hadn't reduced our presence in Iraq. I could certainly be wrong...

I'd say it's crazy (crazy = good) what happens when intelligence folks are allowed to take the gloves off, because there ARE reports that the first break in this case (the relationship between the courier and Bin Laden) was provided by Khalid Shiek Mohammad, but only after he was waterboarded.

The word "incomprehensible" rarely is used to mean exactly what it implies. In this case, it is incomprehensible to me that folks are opposed to waterboarding.

[scottw]

my first concern, whenever a mas murderer is killed, is that his body is handled properly and buried in strict accordance with the guidelines of the peaceful religeon that he practiced throughout his life, you wouldn't want any of the other followers of the peaceful religeon to be upset that one of it's members, no matter how rogue, devious or deadly was in any way mistreated, even in death glad to know that he was properly prepared for his trip to heaven

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

So everyone is going to give Obama all the credit?

It was all military working on a mission until it was complete, all Obama did was give approval to the op, which any president would have done...

Why Not a part of it ... If this thing went bad (bum helicopter) many would have hung it around the Presidents kneck . Congrats Seals and Obama .

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Saltys

BTW

Yesterday marked the 8th anniversary of George W. Bush's "mission accomplished" speech....

Funny thing about that speech...if you read the text,nowhere does he say "mission accomplished". What he does say in that speech is that there's a lot of hard work left to do in Iraq, and that no one knows when the job will be done.

Liberals will then say "well what about the banner that said 'Mission Accomplished'? Yes, the banner. Bush's speech was delivered on the USS Lincoln, a Navy ship that was heading home after completing a tour of duty near Iraq. The banner was for the sailors of the USS Lincoln, because for them, their mission was accomplished.

But the media, and people who hate Bush,pounced on this, distorting it, and saying that Bush thought combat was over.

There were huge mistakes made with Iraq, and I have no quarrel with folks who say we shou;dn't have gone in. But it's flat-out lie to state that Bush ever claimes that the mission was accomplished.

And awesomenews about Bin Laden, I pray some of those 09/11 families can rest a bit easier.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the media, and people who hate Bush,pounced on this, distorting it, and saying that Bush thought combat was over.

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."



What Bush said is indisputably true. We did prevail in the Battle of Iraq. Remember that the battle was AGAINST the Iraq led by the Sadaam Husein regime. THAT Iraq was eliminated. The Iraqi regime that followed was our ally. We fought WITH it to defeat its enemies. Jim in CT pointed out very specifically that Bush did not say "mission accomplished" in that speech, it was a sign posted by the crew of the ship whose mission was over. Bush said specifically in that speech "The war on terror is not over . . . we have difficult work to do in Iraq."

The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

So then you quote Rumsfeld in regard to Afghanistan which is not related to the ship's "mission accomplished" sign to somehow twist peripheral, unrelated statements to funnel into the falsely attributed quote to Bush to make it sound as if Bush was stupid enough to sort of say that our work was done, mission accomplished, combat is over. It is that slippery, slithery kind of discussion that is also used to paint the Tea Party as racist.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So then you quote Rumsfeld in regard to Afghanistan which is not related to the ship's "mission accomplished" sign to somehow twist peripheral, unrelated statements to funnel into the falsely attributed quote to Bush to make it sound as if Bush was stupid enough to sort of say that our work was done, mission accomplished, combat is over. It is that slippery, slithery kind of discussion that is also used to paint the Tea Party as racist.

Speaking of slippery, slithery...

That mission accomplished sign was just a fashionable use in the art of power, not in the philosophy of any truth. Bush learned well. As to those who seem unwilling to acknowledge this, this is a nuisance. The philosophy of truth is at times an impediment to gaining and using power. And then truth becomes secondary to power. In your case it is the power of pursuasion. Your ability to make falsehood into a shining city on a hill to the audience is commendable. Nevetheless, I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statements are nothing more than post hoc rationalization.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

Zimmy, my post saisd that Bush never claimed "Mission Accomplished" in his spech on the USS Abraham Lincoln. Read the speech. Assuming you can read, I also posted the intent of the banner, it was to give an "atta boy" to a bunch of heroic sailors whose mission WAS accomplished, and they deserved an acknowledgment of their service. So if you think it's acceptable to twist Bush's intent of congratulating those sailors and to attack him for it, all I can say is I find that repugnant. I also said mistakes were made in Iraq, mistakes that I'll wager impacted me more than they impacted you. But Bush never implied that the mission was accomplished, not during that speech. I'm sorry if that fact exposes how many revolting liars there are in the liberal ranks, but it's still a fact.

Pointing out what Rumsfeld and Franks said is NOT refuting my point, I was referring to what Bush said and didn't say.

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"Osama Bin Laden was asked to surrender by US troops before he was shot dead, Fox News is quoting intelligence sources as saying.

The terrorist leader had always said he would not be captured alive.

Bin Laden was shot dead during a raid by US ground troops on a compound in Pakistan. His body was captured by the Americans.

The troops landed in four helicopters. One of the helicopters suffered mechanical failure and was destroyed by the Americans. However none of the American soldiers were killed."

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osama bin laden dead president obama | Inside TV | EW.com

He interrupted Celebrity Apprentice.

Think he did that on purpose? LOL

[UserRemoved]

OK I'm calling TOTAL BULL SHAT here.

Raid against Osama bin Laden captured on Twitter - Yahoo! News

In 7 hours they're trying to tell us that they confirmed his identity...performed DNA testing which proved this...according to Obama...washed his body according to Muslim Law....wrapped in a white sheet, and dumped this guy in the ocean before anyone else had a chance to confirm this.

BULL SHAT.

I find this VERY hard to believe. Twitter doesn't lie. Didn't Obama say this happened several days ago?????

[The Dad Fisherman]

Looks like my Reynolds stock is starting to climb....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So I said before:
If Obama authorized the killing of Bin Laden, some in here would criticize him for the placement location of the bullet.

This seems to be text book.

Didn't ask for permission from Pakistan, didn't use a drone strike. Just flexed some good old USA Muscle and ended it with the Navy seals. Maybe this is why Pakistan has been so pissed at us lately?

what a great day for Americans, and a day every military member should be proud (yourself included Jim) who had a part in the war on terror.

Well done to everyone involved and a huge Thank You!!!

Now, Brian...can we try to be a little less partisan today? There very well could be "water boarding" involved in getting his where abouts.

[RIROCKHOUND]

I haven't posted an intentionally partisan thing today.

as far as torture, who knows. it sounds like it was mostly about locating the courier... me thinks that was done as clandestine as possible to not alert OBL....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I haven't posted an intentionally partisan thing today.

as far as torture, who knows. it sounds like it was mostly about locating the courier... me thinks that was done as clandestine as possible to not alert OBL....

The AP has a story stating that "detainees" gave up the relationship between Bin Laden and the courier "during interrogation".

WHo knows what that means.

Not easy for me to admit, but Obama deserves some kudos here.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The AP has a story stating that "detainees" gave up the relationship between Bin Laden and the courier "during interrogation".

WHo knows what that means.

Not easy for me to admit, but Obama deserves some kudos here.

Word is that there was information from detainees at GITMO that helped this mission.

I'm curious to hear what all the people who wanted Gitmo closed years ago now think? Should Obama be villified for not closing it, or should he be commended for keeping it open and using information from the detainees there to help take out the worlds most dangerous terrorist?

[RIJIMMY]

congrats to all involved. I give credit to O for getting it done.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I'll be waiting patiently for the crackpots to start saying they Saw Elvis buying a Big Gulp from him at a 7-11 in Tallahassee....

[fishbones]

Bin Laden was reportedly living in the Pakistani military equivalent of West Point. That's a little suspicious in my book. Anyone think the Pakistani's were aware that he was there and were harboring him? This could get really ugly, really fast.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

congrats to all involved. I give credit to O for getting it done.

Kudos to all involved. It took years to find him. X,000s of soldiers and intelligence folks worked harder than we'll ever know to make that happen (and many prob. gave their lives). Obama was just luckily the pres. at the time. Not catching him was prob. Bush's biggest personnal disappointment but I know he was prob. thrilled to hear the news. He laid the ground work for yesterday.

Originally Posted by fishbones

Bin Laden was reportedly living in the Pakistani military equivalent of West Point. That's a little suspicious in my book. Anyone think the Pakistani's were aware that he was there and were harboring him? This could get really ugly, really fast.

They had to know - 100 yards from the military compound. I'm sure there are other compounds that are similiar but it seemed the measures (extra high walls, no phones, etc.) had to make someone extra suspicious. We'll prob. not make too much of it b/c we still need the Paks. as allies.

Gitmo- I still think it should be closed. I think it is a blight on what we as a nation stand for. I have read that most good intelligence is gotten not by tourture. We don't know if the info. was obtained by water boarding or by other means.

Obama gave his word he would close it, and any politician who doesn't keep his word deserves to have that taken into account when you enter the voting booth.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Bin Laden was reportedly living in the Pakistani military equivalent of West Point. That's a little suspicious in my book. Anyone think the Pakistani's were aware that he was there and were harboring him? This could get really ugly, really fast.

There was a reason that this was kept very close to only a few. I agree, This is going to get interesting.