Obama seeks common ground?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The flaw in your entire post is your opinion that the US needs to be the world's police force. I disagree. I don't want my money going to rebuild other countries when the one I live in is far from perfect - with kids not having food on the table, veterans living on the streets, Mexican cartels ruining the South-west, etc.

Yes, we've lost a lot of lives "liberating" the Iraqi people. However, I'm willing to bet more Iraqi people have died since the US invasion than under Saddam's dictatorship.

I don't have some delusional opinion that the world is an utopia. But you seem to be under the insane opinion that through war, the US can make the world one.

My Yankee analogy personifies half your posts about how Obama doesn't have enough balls when he goes over there and how the world should bow to the American President like he's some Supreme leader of the world.

You're out of your mind.

What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do. To think otherwise is living with your head in the sand. You are the one that has lost touch with reality my friend. Millions were killed under Saddam. don't recall anyone saying "through war you can make the world one" Nice try JD

It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

We do more for the world then anyone. If we have to remind the world of the sacrifices that were made then I see know problem with it. What if the US just ignored what went on beyond our borders. Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

Your Yankee anology was pathetic in how it lacks respect for what the USA has done.

Mega Extreme Right Wing "DITTOS" I've said about all I am going to on this, as some of these guys will never see the light. Obama shows utter disrespect for those of us serving in the military or have served in the military. Its simply amazing how he can speak out of both sides of his ass, and people only hear the bits and pieces they want.

Same as you, I heard things I agreed with, but then went apoplectic over some other things he said. But I can see the truth, he is talking both sides, counting on peoples stupidity that they will walk away remembering only the parts they liked.


I'm spending the weekend on the water and away from this section until monday as I seem to be getting angry a little too easy at the left these days.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do.

It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls.

Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...

It's funny how you think "international good will" is important when you need it to be, but write off all the arguments against policy that erodes it as necessary to our security.

You can't have it both ways.

You've said that Obama is lying and has empowered our enemies with this speech. Please post some specifics and back your argument up.

Otherwise it's just more fluff.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

More than lost lives, we're going to spend nearly two trillion dollars in the process, nearly ZERO of which is going to benefit the American Taxpayer directly.

The policy that got us into Iraq was reckless at best and dishonest at worst. The tens of millions of people who we have directly impacted feel slighted at best and are responding with violence at worst.

To write off any criticism of CIVILIAN policy as disrespecting a MILITARY organization that takes its orders from said civilian leadership is ANTI-MILITARY to the core as it's placing responsibility for those orders on the troops themselves.

Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

This is the basis for the neocon argument that infected US policy under Bush 43. The world "needs" us to lead them.

Man, that's some arrogant %$%$%$%$. In a world where 19 guys with box cutters can kill nearly 3 thousand people, one might think a little humility is in order.

Or, we could just work to piss everybody off and claim superiority. Yes, that's a recipe for success...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

More than lost lives, we're going to spend nearly two trillion dollars in the process, nearly ZERO of which is going to benefit the American Taxpayer directly. I think the American taxpayers have grown used to having their money taken and receiving no benefit...

The policy that got us into Iraq was reckless at best and dishonest at worst. The tens of millions of people who we have directly impacted feel slighted at best and are responding with violence at worst. and some really appreciate our efforts, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan...wow...you know if you really think about it, we've liberated a ton of people in the last hundred years, just goes to show you that people don't really appreciate you enough... till you're gone...and we're going...going...ggggg


To write off any criticism of CIVILIAN policy as disrespecting a MILITARY organization that takes its orders from said civilian leadership is ANTI-MILITARY to the core as it's placing responsibility for those orders on the troops themselves.this is jibberish, it's Friday, have you begun drinking?


This is the basis for the neocon argument that infected US policy under Bush 43. The world "needs" us to lead them."neocon" is a racial slur

Man, that's some arrogant %$%$%$%$. In a world where 19 guys with box cutters can kill nearly 3 thousand people, one might think a little humility is in order. this sounds exactly like something Osama Bin Laden (oops, I almost said Osama Obama) would say, or have said

Or, we could just work to piss everybody off and claim superiority. Yes, that's a recipe for success...stop all foreign aid, that ought to piss em' off, and let em' fight their own battles too!

-spence

go fishing Spence!

[spence]

Does your response have any substance? I don't seem to see any...



-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...


You can't have it both ways.


-spence

I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish.

[sean curry]

Blinded by love....

Obama is by far the brightest person we have had in the white house for a very long time. How will the right wing compete?

We had an election, and the best man won.

sean

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish.

I think you forgot to read my posts

The dollar is stronger than at this point last year, Cheney said that deficits don't matter, and Obama is practicing a reality based foreign policy that has a loooooonnnngggg way to go before he can correct all the damage that Bush did.

I have no love for Obama. This sounds just like the defense of Bush that his detractors are simply obsessed with the personalty rather than attacking the policy.

If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.

I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.

-spence

[Swimmer]

I'd feel better if he quoted from Murphy's Law as opposed to the Koran. Because if things don't change more quickly, Murphy's Law is going to be very applicable all over the country.

[RIJIMMY]

you people in this political forum are just plain wacky.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.

I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.

-spence

Not to add to the pile...
still waiting???

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I have no love for Obama. -spence

Liar, liar, Brooks Brothers slacks on fire.

SpenceObama

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Liar, liar, Brooks Brothers slacks on fire.

SpenceObama

Actually I believe Spence on this..... he doesn't have love for Obama, it is more of a lustful adoration. His love is reserved for Karl Marx

[RIROCKHOUND]

Thats good.
insult spence. still didn't answer his question...

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Thats good.
insult spence. still didn't answer his question...

It's all they have. Besides...Beans doesn't even know what a Liberal is, his taunts don't mean all that much.

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Not meant as an insult, just an observation.

I was trying to be nice by saying Liberal, instead of Socialist.
If you read through Spence's comments throughout this board, you can easily see he believes in more government control, he would enjoy having government health care, he would welcome more government control to "improve" local school, he would more than likely support salary caps for all, not just those under the bailout, he would support increased gun control. On almost every issue he does indeed appear to be a liberal, the only issue he may stray on is abortion (I feel he may agree with me on that, case by case, depending on risk to mother and other considerations like rape).

I enjoy reading some of his posts and do "read" them all and he does align himself with liberal beliefs.

[JohnR]

How did I miss this thread?



Musta been been busy

[RIROCKHOUND]

CB, I started a new thread, not to hijack this one

[Raven]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you people in this political forum are just plain wacky.

and has cool beans for breakfast......

[Cool Beans]

Raven, that is so damn funny!!!

I feel like Rush,,, "Everyone is picking on me..." Hahaha!

[scottw]

When Obama made his long-awaited speech to the Muslim world on June 4, he was excruciatingly careful to demonize those Muslims he termed "violent extremists" and praise other practitioners of Islam. While the distinction is accurate, it is hardly insightful. While declaring Islam itself evil leads to a strategic cul de sac (what is the strategy once we declare one third of humanity our enemy); Obama's chosen path is equally dangerous. It allows the Muslim world to go on blaming their problems on "imperialism," "exploitation," or more innocuously poverty, and ratifies the consistently disastrous policy of letting those who cheer the terrorists' actions and provide them with ideological cover avoid responsibility. It lets them and the "violent extremists" off the hook in the name of political correctness.

Those same people have been engaged in a deliberate program of ethnic cleansing against Bangladesh's Hindus. Hindus were almost one in five Bangladeshis when the nation broke from Pakistan in 1971. Today, after decades of murder, rape, and forced conversion, they are less than one in ten. Using demographic models and other data, Professor Sachi Dastidar of the State University of New York, Old Westbury, estimates that 49 million Hindus are "missing" from the Bangladeshi population; that is more people than most nations have.

This is but one example of a long list

That is the danger in Obama's Cairo University speech and his policy of "outreach" to the Muslim world. Peace is nice; frank discussions are needed. But refusing to demand equal soul searching on the part of those who are in reality radical Islam's lifeline will produce neither and insure that his speeches will keep peace at a distance and create more victims.