Fox tell Trump to arm Teachers

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

They did control congress (both houses), for Obama's first two years. For a good chunk of that time they had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I don't think the GOP could have stopped them from doing a thing. Yet they didn't.

Lots of blame here, both parties, the NRA, law enforcement, lots of blame...

Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.

Looks like 8 years of "Blue" Senate to me. Maybe not FB proof, but dem controlled.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.

And for the entire first 2 years, the Democrats controlled both houses. They got a lot of big stuff done, like the stimulus. The could have done something with guns, right? They chose not to.

I hear you about 2013. But for 08-09 he had both houses. He did zip on guns and immigration.

[zimmy]

Every time one of these massacres happens, I come across articles from ER doctors and the like. Totally changed my view on the AR vs handgun side of the debate.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-guns/553937/

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Every time one of these massacres happens, I come across articles from ER doctors and the like. Totally changed my view on the AR vs handgun side of the debate.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-guns/553937/

it should change your view on people

most people don't carry concealed Ar's for protection, nobody that I know of. Have you read doctors reports of what a shotgun blast does to ones organs?

people kill people, the guns don't pull their own triggers and shoot themselves.

Liberty built this country and if you take it away, we will lose this country.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

people kill people, the guns don't pull their own triggers and shoot themselves.

Nuclear weapons don't "pull their own triggers and shoot themselves" yet for some reason we don't want NK to have them.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Nuclear weapons don't "pull their own triggers and shoot themselves" yet for some reason we don't want NK to have them.

We don't allow Criminals and mental defectives to have guns, so what the heck is your point?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We don't allow... mental defectives to have guns, so what the heck is your point?

Now THAT is funny!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We don't allow Criminals and mental defectives to have guns, so what the heck is your point?

The problem is, based on what happened in FL, we are allowing mental defectives to have guns.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We don't allow Criminals and mental defectives to have guns, so what the heck is your point?

It looked like you were trying to make the point that guns don't kill people - people kill people.

Using that logic nukes don't kill people.

So why is it different between nukes and ARs?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We don't allow Criminals and mental defectives to have guns, so what the heck is your point?

Felons can still buy guns from unlicensed sellers online or at gun shows. Regarding the mentally ill, we don't do anything to establish mental fitness before a gun purchase like some countries do, so unless the buyer was involuntary committed or has a court order declaring they are unfit...they can certainly buy guns.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

most people don't carry concealed Ar's for protection, nobody that I know of. Have you read doctors reports of what a shotgun blast does to ones organs?

Well, perhaps it's just because it's not practical and even in open carry states doesn't seem like it's regarded very favorably by the general public or police. As for shotguns, now you get into range and capacity neither of which favor violent crime.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

it should change your view on people

most people don't carry concealed Ar's for protection, nobody that I know of. Have you read doctors reports of what a shotgun blast does to ones organs?

people kill people, the guns don't pull their own triggers and shoot themselves.

Liberty built this country and if you take it away, we will lose this country.

Doctors and law enforcement are much more concerned about ARs than shotguns for mass shootings. You know guns, so you would be too if that were your concern. I defer to them over people with a infatuation for a weapon. AR is fun to shoot. Has no effect on my liberty if I can'r have one any more than not having a rocket launcher or tommy gun. A gun isn't liberty.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by zimmy

On the law making side, he called on Congress to pass laws that would:

Originally Posted by scottw

try to follow along....



you understand the president does not write laws...right? s

You can see the irony of your follow along comment, right?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

A gun isn't liberty.

Not for you. Not for me. But for many it is.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Doctors and law enforcement are much more concerned about ARs than shotguns for mass shootings. You know guns, so you would be too if that were your concern. I defer to them over people with a infatuation for a weapon. AR is fun to shoot. Has no effect on my liberty if I can'r have one any more than not having a rocket launcher or tommy gun. A gun isn't liberty.

I never said it was not my concern


You and others are never going to understand and it's not my job to inform you, just like it was not my job, but the FBI's job to follow up on the multiple warnings by people about the unstable Cruz. But I am not going to be silent and be thought of as condoning it.

That's cute, a gun isn't liberty. no chit

We are privileged to live in the greatest nation ever and you can thank our founders for framing a constitution that allows us liberties for Capitalism to thrive. Without that you would not have the freedoms you take for granted every single day of your life. Those same liberties can take away liberty, none of us should let that happen.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We are privileged to live in the greatest nation ever and you can thank our founders for framing a constitution that allows us liberties for Capitalism to thrive. Without that you would not have the freedoms you take for granted every single day of your life. Those same liberties can take away liberty, none of us should let that happen.

What is the definition of greatest nation ever, other than we are always told that?
What measurements did you use to define that?
Here are the things I found that we are statistically #1 in:
Gun possession, incarceration, women's olympic figure skating medals, the most super rich, wine consumption, number of plastic surgeons, horse exports, breast augmentation, death by violence, Christians, Jews, small arms imports, small arms exports, non-methane voc emissions, corn oil production, cheese, cinnamon imports, etc.
Here is where i found these rankings and maybe someone can find ones that confirm we are the greatest ever.
https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/

[Sea Dangles]

Like I said, Obama was spinning his wheels and made a reactionary attempt at gun reform. I agree with a lot of what Spence suggested as options for an improved system of gun control. I am not a fan of the NRA although I am sure that without their efforts we would have less liberties. There is no doubt that something is wrong here in the good ole USA with the senseless acts of killing. Let's hope it gets figured out because it is sad to see the innocent die.
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[Sea Dangles]

I am proud of what we have. If you are trying to reinvent the wheel,you will never be happy. There are plenty of shortcomings and a lot to improve upon but that was a very shallow post.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

We're probably near the top of the list for Freedoms and Opportunities
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

We're probably near the top of the list for Freedoms and Opportunities
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Pfffttt, what do freedom and opportunity have to do with making a country great.

[Slipknot]

Before all of this freedom and liberties there was a way to gain riches and power, it was by plundering and force. Now we have Capitalism so hard work,competitive prices, and satisfied consumers are the way to success. Do you see that anywhere else where we have the choices we have here? America= land of opportunity.
That is why we are the best and those who want to continue to erode on our freedoms and liberties will be the ones who destroy this country, not maniac mass murderers with a gun.
Taking the lazy easy way out removing guns for the answer to protect our kids in schools is asinine. Put in safeguards like metal detectors and other solutions for immediate protection. Improve the system to keep arms out of the hands of violent people. Taking away from law abiding is NOT the answer yet half the country seems to think so like Bloomberg and Soros. If they get their way you can kiss your ass goodbye.

Pete, Sea Dangles is right, your post is very shallow. Try to see the positive.

[Pete F.]

I think we were the Greatest, probably still are but I think we are in danger of losing our position economically, socially and morally.
The entire nation gets upset about a school shooting and since the 14th how many children have been killed by guns?
Do you think it is more or less than 17?

[wdmso]

Some lady on the radio put it this way..

there is a flood in America (availability of guns and violence that comes with them)

And all the Right can come up with is lets just put sandbags around schools .... (as if thats the only place kids get killed by fire arms)

they wont even try to stem the flow

In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. The National Rifle Association accused the CDC of promoting gun control.

why would they be afraid???

[Slipknot]

"How about this. A law saying that if you live in a house with a person who has mental issues (like Adam Lanza's mother did), then if you want a gun, maybe you have to keep it in a gun range. Or maybe you can only have a gun with fingerprint id so no one else can shoot it. "

Jim, Kevin commented on this but I want to add

Since analogies are a thing today, we don't make people who live with drunks have those breathalyzer kill switches installed in all their cars do we? But give it time and progressives will have that happening in the name of progress and safety.

Most gun shops can tell someone is a bit "#^&#^&#^&#^& when they try to buy a gun and they refuse, but plenty just see dollars so the whole background check stuff is a complicated issue for sure. There is room for improvement.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

"How about this. A law saying that if you live in a house with a person who has mental issues (like Adam Lanza's mother did), then if you want a gun, maybe you have to keep it in a gun range. Or maybe you can only have a gun with fingerprint id so no one else can shoot it. "

Jim, Kevin commented on this but I want to add

Since analogies are a thing today, we don't make people who live with drunks have those breathalyzer kill switches installed in all their cars do we? But give it time and progressives will have that happening in the name of progress and safety.

Most gun shops can tell someone is a bit "#^&#^&#^&#^& when they try to buy a gun and they refuse, but plenty just see dollars so the whole background check stuff is a complicated issue for sure. There is room for improvement.

not sure why we haven't heard more about these

http://fortune.com/2015/04/22/smart-...-ready-are-we/


Biometric Trigger Guard or Biometric Guns are not far from being a reality we unlock our phones now with biometrics this would be a huge leap forward in Gun safety and should be a win win for 2a and gun control advocates ..

It does not solve the issue of some one wanting to commit murder , but would do much to prevent accidental shootings the stolen gun market

[Sea Dangles]

I still can't believe that I have to say I don't smoke pot to buy a gun but there are no questions about alcohol use.
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[Slipknot]

Not reliable

do they work when your finger is the slightest bit wet? or very wet?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I still can't believe that I have to say I don't smoke pot to buy a gun but there are no questions about alcohol use.
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True.

[wdmso]

Who says The NRA are not buying Politicians

"I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA," Mr Cagle wrote on Twitter.

"Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back."

Georgia lieutenant Governor Casey Cagle

So much for freedom of association