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MAC · 08-30-2008, 07:21 AM

Here is something I think a lot of people will relate to. She has been there and can relate to middle class America. Some how I can't see Obama or Biden like this unless the photo were staged.

spence · 08-30-2008, 08:16 AM

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Here is something I think a lot of people will relate to. She has been there and can relate to middle class America.

I'd agree that her down to earth image will resonate with the middle class, especially the Ted Nugent faction of the Republican Party

But she's going to have to tread very lightly on social conservative and environmental issues. I think the average person believes global warming is happening and believes in the separation of church and state. Sure it will rev up the base, but also turn off the independent voters who are the key to this election. To independent voters, a strong religious rejection of gay rights for instance, is a turn off. Doesn't mean you have to support gay marriage, but it makes them look mean and hypocritical. (no offense Joe)

It also presents a pickle for McCain who's traditionally been moderate on the environment. Environmental issues are going to be a big topic this fall, and he can't be running around saying we need to protect while she's at the GOP underground events preaching denial to the flock.

-spence

MAC · 08-30-2008, 08:25 AM

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I'd agree that her down to earth image will resonate with the middle class, especially the Ted Nugent faction of the Republican Party

But she's going to have to tread very lightly on social conservative and environmental issues. I think the average person believes global warming is happening and believes in the separation of church and state. Sure it will rev up the base, but also turn off the independent voters who are the key to this election. To independent voters, a strong religious rejection of gay rights for instance, is a turn off. Doesn't mean you have to support gay marriage, but it makes them look mean and hypocritical. (no offense Joe)

It also presents a pickle for McCain who's traditionally been moderate on the environment. Environmental issues are going to be a big topic this fall, and he can't be running around saying we need to protect while she's at the GOP underground events preaching denial to the flock.

-spence

I think the enviroment issues will take a back seat to more pressing issues ie; Iraq, health care, and #1....the economy.

spence · 08-30-2008, 08:31 AM

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I think the enviroment issues will take a back seat to more pressing issues ie; Iraq, health care, and #1....the economy.

The environment (global warming, shortage of natural resources) is the biggest long-term challenge to the economy, and everything else falls out of that...

My guess is that at a time where this country (the world really) is entering a new era, the GOP will smother this election in the Abortion debate and the pot with the frog will get turned up a few more degrees.

-spence

likwid · 08-30-2008, 08:25 AM

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Here is something I think a lot of people will relate to. She has been there and can relate to middle class America. Some how I can't see Obama or Biden like this unless the photo were staged.

Snips and siding! Damn you sold me! She's so middle class America it hurts. I concede.

Oops.

MAC · 08-30-2008, 08:28 AM

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Snips and siding! Damn you sold me! She's so middle class America it hurts. I concede.

Oops.

LOL, you forgot the silver spoon.......

spence · 08-30-2008, 08:33 AM

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LOL, you forgot the silver spoon.......

WTF?

-spence

likwid · 08-30-2008, 08:35 AM

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LOL, you forgot the silver spoon.......

Who cares? Not like anyone in politics are self made anymore.
Either grow up with money or marry into money. Its a moot point really.

Hell most people voting Republican don't even make enough money to benefit from being a Republican. There's irony in there somewhere.

And the rumor machine is full speed ahead.
Kid #5 supposedly is her 16 year old daughters, not hers.

And she's into spending.
Bridge to nowhere.
Open pit mining (interestingly enough Ted Stevens was AGAINST it.)

spence · 08-30-2008, 08:41 AM

What I find really odd is that McCain would pick someone he didn't even know. It's reported that he only met her once in Feb of this year.

Wouldn't you want a VP who you knew and trusted?

Doesn't make any sense to me. The fact that she's open to teaching Creationisim in schools is frightening.

Here's a quote I love:

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Palin also said of her son, whose name is Trig Paxon Van Palin, "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

So because she's pro-life she'll rationalize that her baby with Downs is just as normal as we are, yet a gay person, who God made differently as well, is somehow less deserving of such equality?

What a hypocrite.

-spence

stripersnipr · 08-30-2008, 12:45 PM

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So because she's pro-life she'll rationalize that her baby with Downs is just as normal as we are, yet a gay person, who God made differently as well, is somehow less deserving of such equality?

What a hypocrite.

-spence

That would me sense if there were a Gay person who doesn't have the exact same rights as the rest of us.

spence · 08-30-2008, 12:56 PM

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That would me sense if there were a Gay person who doesn't have the exact same rights as the rest of us.

I believe I said "equality".

-spence

likwid · 08-30-2008, 08:57 AM

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Who's the better choice? Palin (strongly anti gay marriage and staunch pro life) or a multi millionaire,pretty boy Mormon from Belmont MA with equally pretty children that look like they're afraid to get their hands in the dirt.

I hear no gloves and nail polish is popular amongst the comm crowd.

Mike P · 08-30-2008, 09:49 AM

Just as an FYI---not that I buy into either one, but there's a huge difference between "Intelligent Design"--which is what Palin stated she thought should be taught along with evolution in schools---and "Creationism".

One accepts the fact that the universe is billions of years old and that humans evolved from other species, and the other claims that the universe is 6000-odd years old and was created in 6 days.

MAC · 08-30-2008, 10:38 AM

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Hell most people voting Republican don't even make enough money to benefit from being a Republican. There's irony in there somewhere.

I knew you would get the silver spoon comment. Just suprised Spence missed it.

On the Republican issue; I for one do not stand by any party lines. I do believe in voting for the man (or woman for you politically correct types).

Obama's worst trait to me is his ability to talk out of "both sides of his mouth". This is very apparent with his stance on 2A...... That sinks him for me.

If we could get a candidate who would take on DC and its "pork barrel spending" we would be better off. Maybe if we limited terms on senators and such something could happen, but that is for another day.

spence · 08-30-2008, 10:40 AM

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I knew you would get the silver spoon comment. Just suprised Spence missed it.

Not sure what you meant by it

-spence

MAC · 08-30-2008, 10:49 AM

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Not sure what you meant by it

-spence

To me it means it is ironic that Obama is trying to protray himself as at "for the middle class". How can he expect the "common man" to believe any of his rantings when he has never been there. Thus the silver spoon.