Desantis sends two plane loads of illegals to Martha’s Vineyard

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So do you oppose laws which prohibit female teachers from reproducing with underage male students? After all, you just said it's wrong to not allow women "to control their own reproduction". Have fun getting out of that corner that you backed yourself into.

Pete. everyone thinks women can do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You believe that, so do I. That necessarily means, that as far as women's rights go, we completely agree.

The only point of disagreement, is whether or not the baby constitutes "someone else". Womens rights has nothing to do with this, the status of the baby has everything to do with it. Yet you (and the entire pro abortion movement) spend 100% of your time on a demonstrably false rant about womens rights, when you and I agree completely on womens rights.

Once again, you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you respond to a false argument. You're framing it dishonestly, because you know that if it's framed honestly, your position looks ugly.

Don't talk to me about womens rights. Tell me why the baby isn't a human being. That's the argument, the only relevant argument.

You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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Saying "you're wrong" doesn't make me wrong.

One's stance on abortion doesn't depend on your view of women's rights (because we all agree a woman can do whatever she likes as long as she doesn't harm someone else). One's stance on abortion only depends on their view of the status of the baby..

I completely agree that Roe will help the Democrats in November. Because most Americans don't view the baby as a human being.

Your side frames pro life as being opposed to womens righhts. Obviously it's not, or you wouldn't see so many women who are pro life.

Your side does this on every single issue. If you want a secure border, you're a xenophobe. If you believe a Christian baker has the same religious freedom as anyone else, you're a homophobe. The framing is politically brilliant and very effective, but not based in facts.