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Should we not, then, have universal food care, universal clothing care, universal shelter care, etc.?
Let's see, we got car companies, banks, insurance companies, govt taking over of
all student loans, proposed health care.
Ya need to give them at least another 8 months till we get the food,another cheese hand out,
clothing, shelter and they blow your nose for you.
An afterthought re socialistic solutions to "life and death" situations instead of free market solutions. Food, clothing, shelter, among others, are as much "life and death" situations as health care. Should we not, then, have universal food care, universal clothing care, universal shelter care, etc.?
Everything is on a spectrum. We already do have some level of aid for many of these situations, food stamps, tax exemptions for clothing in some states, low income housing subsidies etc...
Your argument is akin to the one that says if two gay people can legally marry, then why can't you marry 5 people or a goat or even 5 goats?
History has proven that when society sets reasonable limits the results can indeed be effective even when pulled at from both sides.
Everything is on a spectrum. We already do have some level of aid for many of these situations, food stamps, tax exemptions for clothing in some states, low income housing subsidies etc...
I realize that we have levels of aid for these situations. The spectrum I was on was Ikegami's preference for socialized UNIVERSAL type health care BECAUSE HC is a "life and death" situation. So, if, we agree that leaving "life and death" solutions to the free market is too harsh and unfair, and our solution to the problem of health care is to mandate that insurance coverage be universal, would it not follow that we should mandate universal coverage for other, even more "life and death" situations?
Your argument is akin to the one that says if two gay people can legally marry, then why can't you marry 5 people or a goat or even 5 goats?
I am not sure if your example is a "life and death" situation, but if it is, by all means, let's mandate some universal coverage for it.
History has proven that when society sets reasonable limits the results can indeed be effective even when pulled at from both sides.
-spence
Spence just wants his goat bride covered under his plan.
Spence, I hope your real wife is understanding. Mine won't even let me get a dog.
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
If you want to see a Govt. plan similar to the proposed HC Plan, look
back at the William D Ford Federal Direct Student Loan Program passed under
Clinton, meant to compete with private plans.
" We are not taking a free enterprise system and federalizing it'' the then Deputy Education Madeline Kunin said,
"We are improving entrepreneurial and competitive possibilities." Sound familiar???
So, 16 yrs ago the government started competing for student loans and even though two thirds of students and universties prefer the private companies, with interest rates competitive with the Fed loans, they prefer the private loans, because of superior customer service.
Congress just passed HR 3321 which Federalizes all student loans, which if signed into law, will eliminate fed guarantees on private loans and replace them with the government's Direct Loan Program at a cost of 1 trillion over 10 years.
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
Once in a while I've been able to sneak an article past someone that didn't know about The Onion.
You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.
Absolutely. There are a large number of people that check this forum but never post. I'm sure at least one of them was fooled.
I guess I should be saving for my health care taxes rather than my biodiesel plant,
Big business strikes again. How many healthcare lobbyists per member? of congress 4?
""The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said."
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.
AMAZING WASTE OF TIME......and once again these %$%$%$%$wads have shown their concern for the American people...
"To keep down costs, the government subsidies and consumer protections don't take effect until 2013."
THAT'S WONDERFUL so by then the premiums will be so expensive that the average American can't afford them. Then they'll be building Federal Prisons to house all the healthcare deadbeats.
I'm glad this is dead in the water. The House Bill is a pathetic attempt to change "Health Care Reform" into "Health Care Expansion." The former could have lowered costs overall, the latter will increase costs for most.
I thought the the reason for the HC plan was to cover the uninsured or
did they forget that??????
The initial reason for the HC plan was to *Cut Costs*. It has now been mutated into a "healthcare for everyone" situation, with only a vague mention to cost cutting.
Just politics as usual. If you're wrong about your initial plan, just continually repeat something different until the public forgets how it all got started. Reminds me of WMDs turning into "liberating the Iraqi people".
Reminds me of WMDs turning into "liberating the Iraqi people".
Nobody said that liberating the Iraqi people was the reason we went in JD. It's just what happens we you remove a dangerous, lying, brutal enemy of the USA from power. That really bothers you eh?
look at it this way, if we hadn't gone into Iraq..Barak Hasan Obama could bitch in all of his speeches that Bush ignored the threat that Saddam posed for the last 8 years and now he has to deal with it rather than fixing the economy....I'm sure that UN sanctions would have been just as effective as removing Saddam, they are working just swimmingly with Iran
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