The great negotiator

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Rounding errors got us to a record deficit,"

Fine, so if your issue is the money, would you be OK with the wall if we funded it by cutting 5B in waste from elsewhere in the budget?

"This is a massive increase with no proven benefit."

The populated areas already have walls

We know exactly what the benefit was, where previous walls were put up - San Diego, El Paso, Yuma. You forgot San Antonio, ask Trump Sure there is some speculation, but most federal spending is done without a guarantee of an exact, tangible benefit. We aren't a bank lending money. We spend much on social programs which we hope helps people.

If you reject public policy that doesn't have a "proven benefit", you must also reject climate change programs, as those proposed benefits are far, far from "proven".

You walked into that one. You walked into that one, since the reason that you claimed repeatedly that climate change is not to be worried about is because it is not proven.

"Why does not a single representative from any district on the entire Mexican border support a WALL?"

Ted Cruz does, he represents the entire state. Maybe the ones you are referring to, care more about politics than they care about solving problems. So you think that the representatives who have the closest relationships to their constituents care more about politics than the effect on the people they represent?

When the right points to actual, irrefutable benefits that have been realized in places that built the walls, and the left 's best response(and they supported walls in 2013) now says that walls are racist and don't work, the argument is over. The left isn't even trying to make any kind of rational argument. A wall isn't racist. Not when Trump says he wants to increase legal immigration.
That is the biggest lie he has ever put out, you really need to look into that one.

"you don't control the direction, though you certainly want to make sure all agree with you or else"

Wrong. I know I can't persuade the Kool Aid drinkers, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the arguments.

You forgot this.
WTF does this statement relate to in this thread prior to it
"Paul, doesnit mean anything to you, that all the border patrol agents i’ve seen, including the man who led the entire border patrol under obama, say the wall will help"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You forgot this.
WTF does this statement relate to in this thread prior to it
"Paul, doesnit mean anything to you, that all the border patrol agents i’ve seen, including the man who led the entire border patrol under obama, say the wall will help"

"The populated areas already have walls"

If that's true, why do so many agents, including the guy Obama picked to run the Border Patrol, as well as democrats before Trump was elected, all say that a wall will help?

"You forgot San Antonio, ask Trump "

Please explain...

"since the reason that you claimed repeatedly that climate change is not to be worried about is because it is not proven."

WRONG. We have the statistics in places like San Diego and El Paso and Yuma before and after the wall. We have actual, real, empirical evidence with walls. With climate change it's speculation, and we know that nothing they have predicted so far, has actually happened. So their speculation abilities are suspect. So they have to lose some credibility for being so wrong, so often.

"So you think that the representatives who have the closest relationships to their constituents care more about politics than the effect on the people they represent?"

Quite possibly. I don't trust politicians as a rule. And anyone who says something as stupid as "barriers don't work", especially when that person said the opposite the day before Trump got elected, has zero credibility.

"That is the biggest lie he has ever put out, you really need to look into that one."

Wow, you know Trump was lying when he said he wants more legal immigration. How might you know that?

As to the statement you don't understand. There is a man, can't recall his name, who was picked by Obama to head the border patrol. Trump fired him. So as you'd expect, this man has said he likes Obama and doesn't like Trump. But he says the wall will be a big help. This is the man Obama selected to head the Border Patrol, so maybe he knows something about this.