Is this the Place?

[eastendlu]

Thanks Pbadad and everyone else.Talk to you later off to do some chores.Have a great days guys.

[Lower]

Good stuff guys. Sorry I missed it, I was on kid duty this morning. Seems like a thread that will keep going though. I'll take some pics this afternoon.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Sgt Striper

Anyone ever try one of these, I've had good luck with it, swam perfect on the first try!

Yes, I have, but without the original to copy mine sucked. The line tie on the larger version is not on center.

Hey Paul. The plug Lu showed is a copy of a standard Musso Pine Sr. It uses a Pikie 3 lip. The plug you, Art, and a few others (Eddy I think) have is a creation I call a skinny donny. It is more heavily weighted and uses a lefty 2 mid slot lip. Very unstable plug that guys who use spinning tackle have a hard time reeling slowly enough. Don't have any unfinished ones left...they're all freehand anyways so they vary some. I'll see if I wrote down what I put in it for weight.

Pb.....the xray is of the wooden smaller atom jr. I don't know much about the styrofoam version......Grapenuts is the guy to ask about anything atom. I copied the 54b name from you, so we both may be wrong. Daignault makes mention of a heavily weighted atom jr that he caught 2 fifty pound fish on.....perhaps that is what you have although I always assumed it was a wood version.

Sgt Striper......what old plugs are you interested in, I might be able to help.

Lu, thanks for fishing the plug. I noticed that since I started heat setting the createx and drying the epoxied plugs in a heated box (@100 degrees) they have been much more durable.

[eastendlu]

Funny you mention that George as i just made this out of something i used to keep all my flammables in.Two walled steel and look at my heating source

[eastendlu]

You can't see it but there is a turkey thermometer taped to the roof on the inside.When it pops lures are done.

[numbskull]

Try two or three light bulbs on a rheostat, Lu. You'll melt less extension cords that way.

[numbskull]

Gee, I didn't know they made cabinets for flammables. I just store them under my wife's home office.

[Bronko]

You guys are all unreal. Some real talent on this board. I wish I had 1/1000 of the woodturning/problem solving/skill that you guys have.

[eastendlu]

George gets up to 200degrees in about 5 minutes with the heat gun.I am working on getting a thermostat and another heat source though.I have not burned or even come close to heating up any extension cords and this was a quick setup to test out.My wheels are still spinning.

[the greek]

Originally Posted by Sgt Striper

Anyone ever try one of these, I've had good luck with it, swam perfect on the first try!

Yes I built a few and this one was my first and best attempt. It swims nice and takes on a little darter like character in current. It is weighted mid point like a danny. I tried to make a better casting one with a tail weight and it was a turd. This is one of my favorite plugs to fish sometimes I just like watching it swim.

[BILLC]

Getting some house projects out of the way but I did get to start a few.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Sgt Striper

Anyone ever try one of these, I've had good luck with it, swam perfect on the first try!

Funny as Tagger asked me about these a week or 2 ago. looks like a neat plugs

[eastendlu]

Nice Mussos lipless swimmer Sgt. those are on my todo list.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by eastendlu

George gets up to 200degrees in about 5 minutes with the heat gun.I am working on getting a thermostat and another heat source though.I have not burned or even come close to heating up any extension cords and this was a quick setup to test out.My wheels are still spinning.

I too am using, since early last year, 2 heated plastic spinner boxes where I get it up over 100 with 2 small light bulbs. The Sys. 3 Clear Coat seems to like it that way a lot. I am only doing 6 plugs per box or 12 total every time I do it.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by pbadad

Lu. This weighting works great. My buddys love the way it casts, fishes and catches. The weight is a 1/4" lead rod 3" long. Approx. 1oz. Pix of blank b/4 turned and a finished turning. A 1/4' dowel is glued in the drilled weight hole b/4 turned.

ok here is how I do it most times. This was showed to me by Mr. Manzi several years ago. Slip told me it was his idea that Dave copied form him so I don't know which was which and don't care. It works and makes it real easy and I know of a few comm. guys that do it his way now since I showed them where to get materials. Just want to let you know it's not my idea. I keep telling people I never had an original idea in my life but don't let me see it because I can plagiarize with the best of them.
Anyway back to the useful info.
I use hard plastic tubing. The OD is 1/4 inch and the ID holds a tail grommet very tight so the tail grommet won't slid around on you. You can use it in any combo you want. Wgt., plastic, wgt, plastic. 1 wgt then plastic. Pretty much any way you want so no dowels and gluing and re drilling. In the last pic you see some larger stuff. 3/8 OD for larger weighting . You then take the 1/4' stuff which happens to fit nice and perfect into the 3/8 stuff and then the tail grommet fits into the 1/4" stuff. You can see I have 100 foot rolls of the stuff, enough for 5 lifetimes of needles but the stuff is very cheap and that is how it is sold. It took some searching to get the right wall thickness but here is the place I got it. Just make sure you get the right wall thickness. If you need help just ask and if you want to try a little let me know and I can send you some as god knows i got plenty.

LDPE and HDPE Tubing. | U.S. Plastic Corp.

[eastendlu]

Excellent post Paul so much to learn so little time.

[Grapenuts]

you can also buy the same thing in hard nylon [spacers] in different inside an outside dia...at the hardware stores in all those little side boxes...been useing them for years in rod building when I need more or less space between the spring that holds the different size thread spools......if you don't need a big coil that is.

[ProfessorM]

Yes true but you probably have one of those old fashion hardware stores. None around me anymore with all the big stores. A big coil is only like 7 bucks and you can give some to your buddies.

[BigFish]

sorry guys....looks like i missed a great time! my router was cooked when i got up this am and i am posting this from my wifes tiny iphone and it sucks! hope to be back on tuesday and i will see you all next sunday morn at 8!
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[Grapenuts]

all your big reg.hardware stores like ace....servise starr....most lumber yards....carry the spacers....along with all the other little do -dad's nuts an bolts an things.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by BigFish

sorry guys....looks like i missed a great time! my router was cooked when i got up this am and i am posting this from my wifes tiny iphone and it sucks! hope to be back on tuesday and i will see you all next sunday morn at 8!
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No worries Larry as i am catching up to you in my post count.

[pbadad]

Paul, The tubing in rolls is a great idea. I've been using dowels and the plastic sleeves from a hardware store. In my version of the Wadd needle the 1/4' lead rod is not put in the middle w/the thru wire inside. It's offset approx. 3/16" on center below the wire hole. Becauseof the plug taper the insert hole becomes exposed and this requires a dowel filler. When done inside the blank b/4 turning it eliminates shaping the dowel after the fact.

[ProfessorM]

ah I see. Glad you explained that. 3/16 below center. neat idea. good thinking.

[Pete F.]

I use wooden plugs to fill the oversize thru hole, the tubing won't give you any bouyancy.
The whole thing is about the difference between the center of bouyancy and the center of gravity?, at least I remember the terms as that. Read a little bit about yatch design and you will find some good explanations. Weight in the ends makes the boat/plug respond slower, weight in the middle makes it quicker. It's not just how much weight it's where you put it. Don Musso is a master of this, look at a superstrikes weight placement.

[ProfessorM]

all very good points but TBO I am not looking for buoyancy if I am using that application and all that weight on such a thin dia. plug. I am looking more for the attitude of the plug as it is reeled in or sinks. If I am going for buoyancy than I am probably using a few small belly wgts.only. This is just my 2 cents . You made a valid observation. Jolly good show.

[pbadad]

I'll take a picture of the end of plug.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The whole thing is about the difference between the center of bouyancy and the center of gravity?, Weight in the ends makes the boat/plug respond slower, weight in the middle makes it quicker. It's not just how much weight it's where you put it. Don Musso is a master of this, look at a superstrikes weight placement.

Hello.......everybody sleeping in this Sun?

This seems a good place to start. I've found that a little tail weight instead of a hook in the butt of a danny gets you a slower but wider action (I think because of momentum) that bass seem to like. Also helps the plug cast better, and balance better (since the lip and snap on the front end pull the face down).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Sgt Striper]

That sounds good, I think I'll give that a try. My Danny's have little bit to much roll..need to address that too.
Thanks for the surfster measurements, got one done. I'll take a pic and post in a few minutes.

[numbskull]

Roll is a different issue and has more to do with the lip and line tie location than weighting.

But before you get too caught up in roll, my best catching danny/donny style plug is so unstable it will do a barrel roll with a twitch of the rod tip. Forget the eyes, keep your paint scheme subtle, and reel sloooowwwwww (conventional tackle helps).....you may be surprised.

[pbadad]

Good Morning all. Have you guys had a chance to clean up the saw dust from the week? I filled a 30gal. garbage pail!! On weighting Dannys; I use a 1/2" diameter belly weight slug low to the belly. I feel the lower the weight the harder it is to pull the belly up. I have a few Bm style dannys I made. they swim extremely well. very little roll w/a nice slow side to side. Pinching up the lip sides a little helps somewhat.