State of the Union Speach

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Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm assuming that those on the House Committee know all this.

Which makes some of their behavior all the more dubious.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Which makes some of their behavior all the more dubious.

Not if they saw something that indicates a corruption of the process.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Not if they saw something that indicates a corruption of the process.

If that was really the case why all the bi-partisan allegations of misrepresentation? Especially when the person central to the issue already has been caught pushing false conspiracy theories?

[Pete F.]

Conspiracy theories?
Well, i did hear that someone was actually born in East Germany and switched at a young age with the deceased grandson of a German immigrant. Might explain the fascination with eastern European women.

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This story is getting better (or worse) by the day. It's looking increasingly like Nunes has never even saw the FISA request. The White House leaked cherry picked elements, Nunes sent a staffer to the UK to investigate the Steele contribution, was told to pound sand, he came back and made the memo up based on what the White House told them.

This is the same Congressman who completely made up the "unmasking" scandal and was subsequently called out on it.

Not in my generation have I witnessed this level of government corruption here at home.

[wdmso]

✔
@realDonaldTrump
The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans - something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. Rank & File are great people!

Is this the united states or Some alternate universe ?

love or hate him not sure how anyone can see these tweets as acceptable or not see them for what they are another attempt at the obstruction of our justice system and current investigation from the POTUS .. the lies and misinformation are never ending

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Not in my generation have I witnessed this level of government corruption here at home.

are you moving back from Canada if he gets impeached?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

This story is getting better (or worse) by the day. It's looking increasingly like Nunes has never even saw the FISA request. The White House leaked cherry picked elements, Nunes sent a staffer to the UK to investigate the Steele contribution, was told to pound sand, he came back and made the memo up based on what the White House told them.

This is the same Congressman who completely made up the "unmasking" scandal and was subsequently called out on it.

Not in my generation have I witnessed this level of government corruption here at home.

Don't forget he is being accused of changing parts of the memo after it was voted on.

Character matters with the Republicans.





That is the Democrat's character.

[scottw]

you guys are trying WAY too hard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

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Not in my generation have I witnessed this level of government corruption here at home.

There are two sides pointing their fingers at each other. No one can come close to knowing for sure what the truth is, based on currently available facts. Let's find out the truth and react appropriately. Shockingly, you believe everything from the left and nothing from the right. That may turn out to be the reality. Let's find out.

Regarding Hilary and Trump, there is some supposed evidence of senior FBI officials acting out of political ideology, rather than a search for the truth. That would also be a level of corruption I'd think would you, but you're not bothered if Hilary was the beneficiary.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There are two sides pointing their fingers at each other. No one can come close to knowing for sure what the truth is, based on currently available facts. Let's find out the truth and react appropriately. Shockingly, you believe everything from the left and nothing from the right. That may turn out to be the reality. Let's find out.

Regarding Hilary and Trump, there is some supposed evidence of senior FBI officials acting out of political ideology, rather than a search for the truth. That would also be a level of corruption I'd think would you, but you're not bothered if Hilary was the beneficiary.

Jim you need to ask your self why are the republicans conducting these investigations.. and why now... and not while Obama was in office if this was such a concern "FBI officials acting out of political ideology"

No one can come close to knowing for sure what the truth is, based on currently available facts. Let's find out the truth and react appropriately.


Nothing in the Nunes memo deals with facts.. its a memo.. Republicans love to make claims of wrong doing or conspiracies then sell them as truth

So what Nunes has done is discredited or attempt to dis credit the FBI and the Justice Dept.. with a Memo . Trump supporters believe anything facts have never mattered ..

and here is the Rub WHO IS LEFT STANDING TO INVESTAGATE THESE ABUSE OF POWERS NUNES CLAIM TO HAVE HAPPENED?? IN HIS 4 PAGE MEMO.. THEIR ARE NO AGENCIES LEFT NO CIA ,JUSTICE DEPT OR FBI THAT TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES HAVEN'T TARRED AND FEATHERED.. TRUMP HAS BEEN PLANTING THE SEED OF DOUBT IN OUR GOVERMENT AGENCIES FROM 1 ST DAY OF HIS CANDIDACY .. A BLOODLESS COUP D'ETAT

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Nothing in the Nunes memo deals with facts.. its a memo..

this is not a factual statement...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you need to ask your self why are the republicans conducting these investigations.. and why now... and not while Obama was in office if this was such a concern "FBI officials acting out of political ideology"

No one can come close to knowing for sure what the truth is, based on currently available facts. Let's find out the truth and react appropriately.


Nothing in the Nunes memo deals with facts.. its a memo.. Republicans love to make claims of wrong doing or conspiracies then sell them as truth

So what Nunes has done is discredited or attempt to dis credit the FBI and the Justice Dept.. with a Memo . Trump supporters believe anything facts have never mattered ..

and here is the Rub WHO IS LEFT STANDING TO INVESTAGATE THESE ABUSE OF POWERS NUNES CLAIM TO HAVE HAPPENED?? IN HIS 4 PAGE MEMO.. THEIR ARE NO AGENCIES LEFT NO CIA ,JUSTICE DEPT OR FBI THAT TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES HAVEN'T TARRED AND FEATHERED.. TRUMP HAS BEEN PLANTING THE SEED OF DOUBT IN OUR GOVERMENT AGENCIES FROM 1 ST DAY OF HIS CANDIDACY .. A BLOODLESS COUP D'ETAT

"Jim you need to ask your self why are the republicans conducting these investigations.. and why now"

For the same reason that the media sat on Trump's Access Hollywood tape until they thought it would do the most damage...politics. The fact that the motive is political, doesn't mean the democrats didn't do anything. Same reason why the left is calling for an investigation between Trump and Russia...political damage

"Nothing in the Nunes memo deals with facts.. its a memo"

Not sure if you know what a "memo" is, but a memo can have elements of fact contained in it.

"So what Nunes has done is discredited or attempt to dis credit the FBI and the Justice Dept.. with a Memo "

If the memo were to show (and I am purely speculating) that the FBI knowingly relied on false information to get the FISA warrant, than the memo would indeed discredit the FBI and Nunes would be vindicated. True or false? And if that false information was paid for by the Clinton campaign, well that's a scandal. That's what some are alleging. I have no idea whether or not it's true, and neither do you.

[PaulS]

Damn liberal FBI.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Damn liberal FBI.

You haven't seen any evidence that there were agents involved with Hilary and Trump, who might have been rooting for Hilary? McCabe's wife taking big campaign money from Democratic PACs for her senate run?

"The FBI" isn't liberal. There might be a few bad apples who had their thumbs on the scale for Hilary. Maybe, maybe not.

The left wouldn't be going berserk trying to block the release of the memo, if there was nothing there. If the memo is a Spence nothingburger, it will get spun as such on every network except one, and the GOP will look stupid.

The right would not have blocked the Democrat response if there wasn't anything there they didn't want us to see.

Who the heck knows what the truth is. Dirty stuff on all sides.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You haven't seen any evidence that there were agents involved with Hilary and Trump, who might have been rooting for Hilary? Sure there were. The agents aren't robots and have no opinion on things. One called Trump an idiot. Is that really different than Tillerson calling Trump a Moron?McCabe's wife taking big campaign money from Democratic PACs for her senate run? So no FBI agent's spouse should run for office.

"The FBI" isn't liberal. There might be a few bad apples who had their thumbs on the scale for Hilary. There has been no indication that anyone did anything wrong, no secret society.Maybe, maybe not.

The left wouldn't be going berserk trying to block the release of the memo, if there was nothing there. If the memo is a Spence nothingburger, it will get spun as such on every network except one, and the GOP will look stupid.Trump will use it to get rid of Rosenstien even if everything in it isn't true.

The right would not have blocked the Democrat response if there wasn't anything there they didn't want us to see. The response was written by Schiff - who read the intel. and they won't release it yet are releasing the Nunes memo even though he didn't read the intel.

Who the heck knows what the truth is. Dirty stuff on all sides.

The Repubs. all voted down a motion to have the FBI brief them on why the memo shouldn't be released.

[scottw]

I think we need to see the memo....if you are right, Trump and the Republicans are toast....right?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I think we need to see the memo....if you are right, Trump and the Republicans are toast....right?

exactly. Am I supposed to believe that the reason the democrats oppose the release of the memo, is that they know there's nothing there, and they don't want the republicans to embarrass themselves.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The Repubs. all voted down a motion to have the FBI brief them on why the memo shouldn't be released.

"So no FBI agent's spouse should run for office"

No...But said agent should recuse himself if there is an appearance of a conflict

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"So no FBI agent's spouse should run for office"

No...But said agent should recuse himself if there is an appearance of a conflict

Fair enough. I think he did recuse himself shortly bf the election. I don't know how long he worked on the email thing.

[Nebe]

Time to hit the reset button.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Time to hit the reset button.
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giddayup

[wdmso]

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

[Pete F.]

Just take Russian lessons, when Trump finishes you will need them.
The things that have disappeared from the media
Ukraine
Russian meddling in elections
meanwhile we are trying to convince everyone that the FBI is full of either Democrats or Deep State agents

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Russian meddling in elections
meanwhile we are trying to convince everyone that the FBI is full of either Democrats or Deep State agents

My understanding is that the DOJ has still done absolutely nothing to investigate further or take actions to inhibit Russian election interference.

[wdmso]

the memos out and no evidence presented just more of the same conspiracies and innuendo

text messages, The Steele dossier, and new target in The Nunes memo Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein

from an article
this somehow proves that the investigation into the Trump campaign’s Russia ties is entirely based on support for Clinton within the FBI and anti-Trump animus.


the memo’s claims are impossible to evaluate without seeing the underlying intelligence it was based on.

so where is the evidence

maybe nunes should look at this time linehttp://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

[wdmso]

from hero to zero in the republican party Sen. McCain on the Nunes Memo


“The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party’s, no President’s, only Putin’s,” McCain added. “The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the lens of politics and manufacturing political sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

[wdmso]

Now that the truth is out, we must demand that justice be done. If we could rely on our politicians, there would already be indictments.

*Drop the Mueller investigation immediately
*Investigate Obama, Lynch and Comey
*Investigate Hillary and her campaign
*Investigate all Never Trumpers in congress who aided this effort
*Investigate all FBI and DOJ holdovers from the Obama administration
*Investigate media collusion in support of this fraud

And for God's sake, immediately cease and desist all references to Russian collusion! And leave President Trump to his work, fighting for the American people!

from Trump base ... cult of personality

[Jim in CT]

mccain didn’t say whyvthe attacks are baseless I noticed.
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[scottw]

sure has the whacky left in a tizzy...