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Old 03-08-2011, 12:15 PM   #1
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Incredible - No liberal bias, huh?

this is AMAZING. please watch the video......

Yes, the tea party is a bunch of evangelical, dumb, rednecks...........
and no, NPR is not biased........

I wonder if this will make front page headlines? Doubt it,

NPR ‘appalled’ by former exec’s comments - Yahoo! News

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Old 03-08-2011, 12:39 PM   #2
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Watch the video? You do realize the Veritas crew has proven themselves to have no ethics what so ever...right?

It sounds like he's mostly pandering to two people he's trying to get 5M dollars from. A lot like the fake call from Koch to the Gov. of Wisconsin.

Sure the guy is a lefty, but let's be honest here...he's being set up.

Ohhh, the Tea Party is "anti-intellectual". I present as evidence Rep. Michelle Bachmann. Case closed...

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A lot like the fake call from Koch to the Gov. of Wisconsin.



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except that the Gov in the fake call w/Koch didnt say anything wrong or compromise his position while this liberal fraud did exactly as you said - pandered to his audience, which is EXACTLY what NPR does, provides biased coverage to skew the news to their sponsors positions - lefty, intellectual snobs.
and its just a coincidence he left his job before this came out.
So spence, I guess you feel good that a news provider in this country is willing to take $$ from organizations which sponsor terrorism. Hurray!

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except that the Gov in the fake call w/Koch didnt say anything wrong or compromise his position
Like planting troublemakers with the protesters?

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while this liberal fraud did exactly as you said - pandered to his audience, which is EXACTLY what NPR does, provides biased coverage to skew the news to their sponsors positions - lefty, intellectual snobs.
What did they say that proves NPR biases their coverage?

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and its just a coincidence he left his job before this came out.
I'm sure he knew it was going to be embarrassing for NPR.

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So spence, I guess you feel good that a news provider in this country is willing to take $$ from organizations which sponsor terrorism. Hurray!
Now you're just getting suckered by the video.

Someone makes a joke about Jews and you can either just be polite or walk out. They fake investors did a great job of walking around the line but never going too far.

The bottom line is that this was a hit piece, not investigative journalism.

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Like planting troublemakers with the protesters?
Which the Gov said he wouldnt do, very clearly. It was suggested and he said he wouldnt do it

Someone makes a joke about Jews and you can either just be polite or walk out. They fake investors did a great job of walking around the line but never going too far.

He shook his head in approval when the guy said the Js controlled the media.

The bottom line is that this was a hit piece, not investigative journalism.

It was a hit piece that hit its target, dead on. It clearly showed how a media exec DESPISED republicans and the tea party. They DESPISE people that do not agree with them. I dont think they thought it would go over 1/10th as well as it did. Its funny how easily things grow when planted in manure.

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Which the Gov said he wouldnt do, very clearly. It was suggested and he said he wouldnt do it
Actually he said they had considered it but didn't think it was worth it.

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He shook his head in approval when the guy said the Js controlled the media.
Oh come on. He's sitting there eating and listening...probably thinking to himself how he hopes the conversation will move on.

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It was a hit piece that hit its target, dead on. It clearly showed how a media exec DESPISED republicans and the tea party. They DESPISE people that do not agree with them. I dont think they thought it would go over 1/10th as well as it did. Its funny how easily things grow when planted in manure.
That's your interpretation. It sure sounded to me that what the man despises is how the GOP has been hijacked by the lowest common denominator rhetoric of Palin, Beck and Bachmann...and that instead of thinking people are actually listening to them.

On that point I agree 100%.

He came off as an elite, sure, but a lot of what they actually said, especially when you read the full quotes (astonishingly not in your edited video) isn't that crazy at all.

I would have expected an executive to have handled themselves a little better considering they were acting in a professional capacity. But to say this hit job "hit it's target" is simply saying that Veritas produced a video that got your panties all in a bunch.

JIM, YOU WERE THE TARGET!!!!!!


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Ohhh, the Tea Party is "anti-intellectual". I present as evidence Rep. Michelle Bachmann. Case closed...

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Is she the new Palin???
Chauvinism and the Democratic Party...setting women back 100 years.
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Spence, you'd try to explain away stalin.

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Spence, you'd try to explain away stalin.


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RIJ and Spence,

You both argue in vain. They are all corrupt and tilted. Both sides are going so far to their side that they are touching each other. "Bosnia free radio" sold its soul years ago and Walker sold his during the election (now he's selling it for a few votes from the other side). Although she isn't that great, Bachmann isn't as bad as the potential from Delaware...thankfully she's back home studying about human brain implants into mice...

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ahh spence......you may want to see this....

WASHINGTON – NPR president and CEO Vivian Schiller resigned Wednesday in the wake of comments by a fellow executive that angered conservatives and renewed calls to end federal funding for public broadcasting.

The chairman of NPR's board of directors announced that he has accepted Schiller's resignation, effective immediately. Schiller wouldn't say whether she offered to quit or was forced out.

On Tuesday, conservative activist James O'Keefe posted a hidden-camera video in which NPR executive Ron Schiller bashed the tea party movement as "racist" and "xenophobic" and said NPR would be better off without federal funding. Ron Schiller is not related to Vivian Schiller.

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Hey, Spence. How's the knee doing? By the way, you never mentioned how you hurt it. Let me guess.... it was from putting your foot in your mouth too many times.

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Yes, the tea party is a bunch of evangelical, dumb, rednecks...........
and no, NPR is not biased........

All news, news outlets and historians are biased. Impossible not to be based on the nature of the business.

As far as the other part, certainly not in all cases, but it isn't that far from the truth in many cases. I like alot of people with tea party leanings, but I also know, have come across, and listened to many who fit the above description. That is a big component of tea party.

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[QUOTE=zimmy;842952]All news, news outlets and historians are biased. Impossible not to be based on the nature of the business.
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Yeah, but other news outlets are not publicly funded. It's BS that we HAVE to pay for a media outlet that is so overtly in bed with one political party.

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Yeah, but other news outlets are not publicly funded. It's BS that we HAVE to pay for a media outlet that is so overtly in bed with one political party.
I'll assume you know that only about 10% of NPR's budget is from CPB grants. Would you get rid of all grants for radio and television? I wouldn't really have much problem with that. It is funny that you say so overtly in bed with one political party. There have been several studies over the last decade that pretty much all indicated that NPR was about the least biased of all new outlets. So, is it really just that you don't think any radio or television should be eligible for government funded grants? I think that's reasonable. Npr has the largest audience, they would have no problem making up the difference in advertising.

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I'll assume you know that only about 10% of NPR's budget is from CPB grants. Would you get rid of all grants for radio and television? I wouldn't really have much problem with that. It is funny that you say so overtly in bed with one political party. There have been several studies over the last decade that pretty much all indicated that NPR was about the least biased of all new outlets. So, is it really just that you don't think any radio or television should be eligible for government funded grants? I think that's reasonable. Npr has the largest audience, they would have no problem making up the difference in advertising.
Right, and 10% is more than I feel should be paid for by the public. My feeling is that if I like the programming, I can donate during a pledge drive, whether it's NPR, PBS or any other radio/tv station. As for it being the least bias, that doesn't mean it's still not bias. If you want to compare it to Premier or Air America, of course it's not going to be as bias, but that doesn't make it neutral or middle of the road by any stretch.

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If you want to compare it to Premier or Air America, of course it's not going to be as bias, but that doesn't make it neutral or middle of the road by any stretch.
I think it was a comparison of all major news media in the US. NY times, washington post, fox, abc, nbc, cnn,msnbc, wall street journal, etc. I am guessing Premier or Air America were not in the study. Although, I never heard of 1 and didn't know 2 existed anymore so maybe they were included.

I think it would be fine to stop grants for radio and tv, but I would much prefer the end the handouts to oil, sugar, corporate hog farms, insurance co, etc. that are exponentially larger than what goes to public broadcasting or arts. That seems to be the difference between "libs" and conservatives. Conservatives seem to have no problem with billions of dollars going to huge corporate conglomerates, but if it goes to something they consider liberal, then they are up in arms. I would guess in most cases they just aren't aware of the amounts of money that go other places. How anyone who fishes can support the GOP who put out a budget that slashes funding for Chesapeake Bay cleanup, and specifically allows for direct water polluters to be exempt from regulation, but allows for billions in tax breaks for enormous corporate monopolies is unfathomable to me.

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Shouldn't the story be about how NPR's news is biased? RIJIMMY cited this video as proof.

Is it?

Perhaps the Mark's comments about a lack of thinking are more true that you want to admit.

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Shouldn't the story be about how NPR's news is biased? RIJIMMY cited this video as proof. Is it?

Perhaps the Mark's comments about a lack of thinking are more true that you want to admit.

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It didn't seem that Jimmy was saying that NPR's "news" is biased, rather that there is a disparity or hypocrisy in claiming, for instance, that the Tea Party is racist or biased, not because of an expressed agenda, but because of a perception about the people in the party--"a bunch of Evangelical, dumb rednecks." So Jimmy's comparison, if I read it right, is not to the bias of NPR "news," but to the people who deliver it, the individuals who create and present NPR--that they are not bias free, which the video, in the case of the two NPR reps demonstrates.

This is similar to what you did above, claiming the Tea Party is "anti-intellectual" not by pointing to an "anti-intellectual" Tea Party expressed agenda, but by "present"ing Michelle Bachmann, "case closed. . ." Not sure why presenting her name closes any case--she certainly appeals to reason and intellect to arrive at a point of view. Just because you may disagree with her doesn't make you any more "intellectual" than her, nor her any less than you.
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Let's hear it Jimmy... so you are a fan of omega protein type government?

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Let's hear it Jimmy... so you are a fan of omega protein type government?
Zimmy,

I see it all the time, people state that the governement is a bunch of pawns for big business, its all corrupt, yet, we have TONS of laws and oversight which dont allow companies to dontate large sums of money to politicans. things are so freaking regulated AND you have both lib and conservatives looking to hang each other at a moments notice....so why no corruption lawsuits? Why no big watergate like scandals?

Why ? Cause its the age old fight against "the man". Victims (ie, liberals) view big business as evil. I guess they dont get it that its evil big business that heats their homes, that its evil big business that provides the coffee for their non-fat lattes and more impirtantly its evil big pharmaceutical companies that developed aids vaccines. I recently read an interesting item - all the celebrity aids events, the massive aids quilts and all the aids benefit marches didnt save the life of one aids patient........big, evil pharmceutical companies did. Imagine that?

Im tired of being raped for taxes, tired of being told I dont pay enough. You havent been out here (political forum) long and I've shared this info before - my wife came to this country dirt poor, english second language, lived in the MOST expensive city in America. Her Dad died a year after they got here. Her and her 2 brothers worked day jobs and put themselves through college. All 3 of them are extremely successful. Why? THEY WORKED! They're not WHITE! How come the MAN didnt slap them down? How come evil big business didnt take her life savings away? Hmm?
I think its the mentaility of teh tea party will save this country. But dont worry, libs are doing everything they can to paint it as racist and dumb. Keep taxing me more and more and yet the people who pay the most taxes no longer have a majority vote and of course the needy will vote to tax me more. You want this for your country??

I'll challenge you ZIMMY, lets divide the country. I'll take all the evil big business and all the tea party people. You take all the libs and the hollywood set. You'll have riots and starvation in a few weeks. I'll have a succesful, booming economy and will then hire your people to come work for me.

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Hey, I like what John said

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So then it is ok that huge loopholes and tax breaks to co. that pay their ceos 10's of millions a year, but if 1/2 a penny of your's goes to NPR that is bad.
I don't want big business getting breaks to heat my home. If people payed the true costs, they would turn their heat down and make their homes more efficient. I don't want MY tax dollars going so someone can afford the oil to keep their house at 70 degrees all winter all while the oil co. pulls in a few billion a quarter. I have no problem with assistance that goes to heat homes for the poor. I buy gas at $3.50 a gallon and drive vehicles that get 30 mpg. My tax dollars go to make fuel cheaper for people so the mom can drive her 2 kids around in a suburban @ 14mpg. Even though the family income is $500,000, she gets that same subsidized gas.

Again, all these issues are really complex.
Also, based on policies, Reagan would be a democrat today, not tea party.

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So then it is ok that huge loopholes and tax breaks to co. that pay their ceos 10's of millions a year, but if 1/2 a penny of your's goes to NPR that is bad.
I don't want big business getting breaks to heat my home. If people payed the true costs, they would turn their heat down and make their homes more efficient. I don't want MY tax dollars going so someone can afford the oil to keep their house at 70 degrees all winter all while the oil co. pulls in a few billion a quarter. I have no problem with assistance that goes to heat homes for the poor. I buy gas at $3.50 a gallon and drive vehicles that get 30 mpg. My tax dollars go to make fuel cheaper for people so the mom can drive her 2 kids around in a suburban @ 14mpg. Even though the family income is $500,000, she gets that same subsidized gas.

Again, all these issues are really complex.
Also, based on policies, Reagan would be a democrat today, not tea party.
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[QUOTE=zimmy;843176]So then it is ok that huge loopholes and tax breaks to co. that pay their ceos 10's of millions a year, but if 1/2QUOTE]

whhhhaaaa - why are companies sending work overseas?
whhhhaaaa - why are they trying to shut down the unions?

obvioulsy you know that the US corporate tax is one of the highest in the world, right?

and you know those CEOs get paid to make their shareholders money, right? And you know that if they could get someone as good and experienced for less, they would, right? This is not closed door scheme, all public companies have open books and records, you can see their financial statements.
See, you're blaming "the man" the invisible huge corporate head screwing you. Funny no one, not one singe person complained about evil wall st when Ebay was selliing for $400 a share and we were in tthe middle of the tech boom? When everyones 401 K tripled? Hmm, but when the chips fall its the fat cat executives that caused it. The victim mentality.

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I did not complain about being a victim. You complained about being a victim to taxes "Im tired of being raped for taxes, tired of being told I dont pay enough." I just pointed out where taxes actually go. The us corporate taxes are not evenly distributed. There are loopholes and subsidies everywhere. There are many examples that show that a large % of corporations in the 35% tax bracket actually pay between 5%-10%. Again it isn't straight forward that business is getting killed because the tax rate is 35%. It is a simplification of the reality of what they pay.

You are putting words in my mouth. I am not blaming "the man" for screwing me. I think are country is f'ing great and I have the best life in the world. It is the TEA PARTY that is crying the sky is falling. I am just pointing out the disconnect between the tax cry, where tax money goes, and where I see the bad parts of spending. I think the tax rate today is reasonable, although I believe the evidence that if the highest income tax rates were at levels before JWB, the deficit would be lower, which would stimulate confidence in the economy. I think the tax code should be simplified, but along with that the corporate loopholes have to go too. The way things are now, we are by far the best country in the world and have been for 400 years. I am not the one holding the signs on the corner complaining about the man.

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What? You exclude everything prior to ratifying the constitution? Sure it's not the same independent government, but the foundations were still great.

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Has anyone ever saw an editorial on Channel 4, 5 or 7 that wasn't way liberal left??????

Just asking...............

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