What are the odds that this will pass?

[FishermanTim]

The highway driving fee, or automobile usage tax, or whatever they end up calling this assinine scam!
Imagine that on top of paying an excise tax, a sales tax and an annual registration tax on your vehicle, and a gas tax you may be forced to pay 1 cent a mile to drive in this pisshole state!!!
This new Democratic fee scam is "supposed" to help fund the Green Line extension (the new Big Dig screwjob) but we all know if they get this to pass it will just end up in someone's pockets or some whacko wet-dream project on some politician's posh summer home.

Bottom line is that the wonderful state of mAssachusetts is looking to make us the laughing stock of the country. More so than we are now. Heck, all we need is to be the first state to enact Obama's assinine immigration plan, and we should beat out California as the most screwed up place to live in the USA!

[buckman]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

The highway driving fee, or automobile usage tax, or whatever they end up calling this assinine scam!
Imagine that on top of paying an excise tax, a sales tax and an annual registration tax on your vehicle, and a gas tax you may be forced to pay 1 cent a mile to drive in this pisshole state!!!
This new Democratic fee scam is "supposed" to help fund the Green Line extension (the new Big Dig screwjob) but we all know if they get this to pass it will just end up in someone's pockets or some whacko wet-dream project on some politician's posh summer home.

Bottom line is that the wonderful state of mAssachusetts is looking to make us the laughing stock of the country. More so than we are now. Heck, all we need is to be the first state to enact Obama's assinine immigration plan, and we should beat out California as the most screwed up place to live in the USA!

My old Ford f350 has 350K on it....that would be $3500 more stolen.

The scary part will be how they keep track of where, how far and when you drive.
Had enough yet???

[Redsoxticket]

Yearly inspections report the mileage to the registry. Your insurance company has already has access to this data and so may the tax collector.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Yearly inspections report the mileage to the registry. Your insurance company has already has access to this data and so may the tax collector.
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What about the miles put on in other states. We are going to have to hire more gov workers to sort this out.

[Redsoxticket]

You haven't heard of the odometer that has 50 memory locations used to store the mileage of each state.
There will be a gps that triggers the mileage counter as you enter that specific state. Afterwards the yearly inspection will determine the miles for each state. There will be a tax rate for miles driven in each state that will be billed to you.
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[striperman36]

I have to start looking at ways to turn back the odometer

[likwid]

Originally Posted by striperman36

I have to start looking at ways to turn back the odometer

Easily detected.

[Raven]

not if it isn't your car

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by striperman36

I have to start looking at ways to turn back the odometer

Interestingly enough, the gauges on the Misses car are screwed up. After driving for 5-10 minutes, the speedometer stops working and the odometer freezes.

Anyway, this is Uncle Scams way of combating rising fuel economy standards. There have been grumblings about the feds requiring a GPS to be installed in every vehicle that tracks mileage (yeah I'm sure that's all it tracks) and is then read by a scanner at gas stations. You pay for your fuel *plus* your mileage surcharge. It's going to happen eventually, and when it does, we'll see even more blatant, illegal intrusion into our Right to Privacy.

[basswipe]

If you think Mass is effed up move to RI and then maybe I might have some sympathy for your plight.

We here in RI by far have easily the most stupid human being to ever live be elected to the seat of Governor(or for that matter anything electable).This is a man who so far has done zero other than try to fight for the life of some scumbag who killed a man in broad daylight,scattering his brains all over a sidewalk outside a Woonsocket bank.Oh and he wants it called a Holiday Tree and he wants to tax EVERYTHING.And as a working man don't even let me get into bridge tolling.

Cry me a river.Spend a year or two here in RI and you'll be screaming to move back to Mass.

[OLD GOAT]

This might be the reason all the electric cars have been taken off the road. NO GAS TAX

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Cry me a river.Spend a year or two here in RI and you'll be screaming to move back to Mass.

Just because RI is a trash heap doesn't mean we in MA can't complain about the ever-increasing taxes and regulations this state pushes through. Also, anyone who moves to RI should have their head checked. If you hate it so much, move.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

If you hate it so much, move.

Same can be said about MA...or any state you live in.

We have a great Interstate Highway system in this country....if people hate the state they live in they can always use it to leave....

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Just because RI is a trash heap doesn't mean we in MA can't complain about the ever-increasing taxes and regulations this state pushes through. Also, anyone who moves to RI should have their head checked. If you hate it so much, move.

Holy crap Johnny was that really called for?Did I ever say you could not complain?

If I could afford to move I would but I'm all growed-up with a mortgage,a family and all the bills that go with it.Would you move with 7 more years on your mortgage?

Think before you speak kid.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by basswipe

If you think Mass is effed up move to RI and then maybe I might have some sympathy for your plight.

We here in RI by far have easily the most stupid human being to ever live be elected to the seat of Governor(or for that matter anything electable).This is a man who so far has done zero other than try to fight for the life of some scumbag who killed a man in broad daylight,scattering his brains all over a sidewalk outside a Woonsocket bank.Oh and he wants it called a Holiday Tree and he wants to tax EVERYTHING.And as a working man don't even let me get into bridge tolling.

Cry me a river.Spend a year or two here in RI and you'll be screaming to move back to Mass.

don't forget the use tax and NOW the new bridge WILL have a toll

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by striperman36

don't forget the use tax and NOW the new bridge WILL have a toll

I keep hearing grumblings about tolls coming back on Mt. Hope Bridge too. Then we'll really be living on an Island...

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by basswipe

If you think Mass is effed up move to RI and then maybe I might have some sympathy for your plight.

We here in RI by far have easily the most stupid human being to ever live be elected to the seat of Governor(or for that matter anything electable).This is a man who so far has done zero other than try to fight for the life of some scumbag who killed a man in broad daylight,scattering his brains all over a sidewalk outside a Woonsocket bank.Oh and he wants it called a Holiday Tree and he wants to tax EVERYTHING.And as a working man don't even let me get into bridge tolling.

Cry me a river.Spend a year or two here in RI and you'll be screaming to move back to Mass.

I agree, I have ice cubes in my fridge that have more working brain cells than your govenor has.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Interestingly enough, the gauges on the Misses car are screwed up. After driving for 5-10 minutes, the speedometer stops working and the odometer freezes.

Anyway, this is Uncle Scams way of combating rising fuel economy standards. There have been grumblings about the feds requiring a GPS to be installed in every vehicle that tracks mileage (yeah I'm sure that's all it tracks) and is then read by a scanner at gas stations. You pay for your fuel *plus* your mileage surcharge. It's going to happen eventually, and when it does, we'll see even more blatant, illegal intrusion into our Right to Privacy.

What happens when I put fuel in my boat at that same gas station?
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[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It's going to happen eventually, and when it does, we'll see even more blatant, illegal intrusion into our Right to Privacy.

You're that guy that yells fire then cries freedom of speech aren't you?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by likwid

You're that guy that yells fire then cries freedom of speech aren't you?

Nope. I'm the guy that doesn't like big brother putting GPS tracking on my car and being able to conduct warrant-less surveillance on my every move.

No one has the freedom to incite panic by yelling fire in a crowded room.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope. I'm the guy that doesn't like big brother putting GPS tracking on my car and being able to conduct warrant-less surveillance on my every move.

Big brother is who said you could drive in the first place.

He also says how fast you can drive, what roads you can drive on, and that your car needs to meet certain safety standards too.

Where's the outcry?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope. I'm the guy that doesn't like big brother putting GPS tracking on my car and being able to conduct warrant-less surveillance on my every move.

I agree with you. So far, so has the SCOTUS. But if the Federal Gvt. can persuade all car manufacturers to install the tracking devices in every vehicle, then we cannot reasonably expect privacy re our driving if what we purchase already has the device. Nor can we reasonably expect that a warrant is necessary to "search" our location if it is automatically revealed by the device we bought. A question here is whether the Federal Gvt., constitutionally, has the power to require installation of the GPS in all vehicles. We know how the Interstate Commerce Clause has been abused to allow the government to do what is not given in the enumerated powers of the Constitution. We also know how the SCOTUS has allowed and been complicit in the abuse. Another question is whether the Fedgov should even be influencing voluntary compliance. There is always the danger of the carrot and stick power of taxation and regulation that can compel action without directly mandating it. So this constant intrusion, on seemingly benevolent grounds, into our private lives is a concern that I share with you. And I don't think it is an unreasonable concern.

No one has the freedom to incite panic by yelling fire in a crowded room.

The restriction on first ammendment free speech was begun by that opinion of Holmes. In actuallity, yelling fire, even falsely, should not reasonably, in itself, be expected to incite panic. The intent might be to warn of danger, or to be a prank or even to incite panic. The responsibility lies in those who hear to act accordingly, not in the person yelling. If we reasonably expect people to act like lemmings, then I can see the necessity of Big Brother protecting us from ourselves, and intruding on every aspect of our lives, including how we speak. Further, shouting ANYTHING in a crowded theater is a matter of property rights more than a matter of free speech. The owners of the property have the right to restrict any disruptive behavior on their premises and should not be a matter of government interference. If the violater does not comply with the wishes of the property owner, the police can be asked to intervene.

Further restrictions on free speech have followed, such as hate speech. etc. What is even more ominous is a fairly new concept in SCOTUS jurisprudence, or at least a new evolution and application of it--Government Speech. The notion that government itself can take part in speech and not be restricted and that such speech is supreme over private speech when the two conflict.

[Raven]

you have achieved wisdom when
you realize you know nothing at all.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Raven

you have achieved wisdom when
you realize you know nothing at all.

So true, but on the journey, if you don't stand for Something
you'll fall for Anything.

[Raven]

it'll be nationwide soon because the Cartels have eliminated the middlemen along the southwestern borders...for more profit

and are now personally driving huge loads of kilos of cocaine to all USA cities.

Some of the buyers are making millions per week. With that kind of "scratch" they can purchase any HEAVY weaponry they feel like.

[likwid]

Drugs are bad mkay?