Absolutely Nails It

[spence]

I think most information these days be it from the right or left is tainted to some degree.

The author makes some good points about Obama's accuracy in some recent speeches, but his core argument, that liberals don't care about lying because all truth is relative, is pretty silly.

Most of his accusations can be accounted for by the fact that Obama is a politician in a leadership position.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I think most information these days be it from the right or left is tainted to some degree.

The author makes some good points about Obama's accuracy in some recent speeches, but his core argument, that liberals don't care about lying because all truth is relative, is pretty silly.

Most of his accusations can be accounted for by the fact that Obama is a politician in a leadership position.

-spence

I haven't been able to find where Hanson has said "that liberals don't care about lying because all truth is relative". He said that OBAMA is a postmodernist. HE believes that all truth is relative . . ." He was speaking throughout the piece about OBAMA'S lies, not liberals, and the "all truth is relative" is one example of why.

So, then, since being "a politician in a leadership position" is the major or a major lightning rod for accusations, accusations against a politician in a leadership position must be dismissed, unexamined, have no merit, because they are accusations against a politician in a leadership position. Sounds like an extremely circular argument.

[scottw]

you need only listen to Obama's AMA speach yesterday to confirm that what the author describes is absolutely true, the degree to which this president will outright lie and create deception to move his agenda along with no thought of the consequences is deeply disturbing...he's not just a politician in a leadership position, he's a dishonest out-of-control radical idealogue without a conscience....or any experience in all of the matters that he believes he's engaged in solving/ improving... and it shows...also, the smugness is wearing on everyone...his name should be "I"bama...it's all about him...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

you need only listen to Obama's AMA speach yesterday to confirm that what the author describes is absolutely true, the degree to which this president will outright lie and create deception to move his agenda along with no thought of the consequences is deeply disturbing..

Ya, I heard part of it and noticed he had another new scare tatic statement.

Not an exact qoute but-- If we don't do something with health care imediately
it will be a catastrophe.

He uses scare tactics for every bill he wants passed.

It's growing old real quick.

[scottw]

yup, predictable

Simple enough playbook to achieve socialist/fascist goals:

1) Proclaim that a crises exits (if one doesn't exist, invent one).
2) Manipulate and scare the mindless masses into buying into it.
3) Set up and demonize "straw men" to heroically knock down.
4) Insist that the only possible remedy is government bail-outs, programs, regulations, etc.
5) Cram the legislation through Congress ASAP (preferably without even reading it!).
6) Send the bill to future generations.

Tools required: Charismatic and Machiavellian salesman, Slavishly obedient MSM, muscle to intimidate straw men (e.g. union thugs, "community organizers", ACORN, etc.), gullible cult-like followers, timid CEO's and a cowardly opposition party.

Then just fill-in the crisis du jour and run with it! (finance, auto industry, health care, global warming/energy, etc.).

This playbook is not new. Thomas Sowell wrote extensively about it in "The Vision of the Annointed" about 20 years ago...

it was the same during the Clinton admin. "CRISIS A WEEK"...I remember Hillary on with Katie one morning whispering..."there's a "silent" crisis in America"...the "silent" crisis at the time was a lack of free government provided and run day care....it was going to bankrupt the nation..or something...

hey, here's an idea..this administration should get one or more of the big three networks to move their news division right into the White House where they could take directions from Rahm and the "O" and promote their agenda in prime time for free with no opposing views...this would be the perfect way to fully take advantage of an adoring and obedient mainstream media...but...I doubt that even the shills at the big networks would prostitute themselves to that degree...probably never happen....

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Ya, I heard part of it and noticed he had another new scare tatic statement.

Not an exact qoute but-- If we don't do something with health care imediately
it will be a catastrophe.

He uses scare tactics for every bill he wants passed.

It's growing old real quick.

But it wasn't old under Clinton for 8 years and Bush 43 for 8 years?

Bush couldn't pass a bill without reminding everyone that if they didn't support it they would soon be dead.

To be honest I haven't heard Obama make many doom and gloom statements that are out of line. Some of his policy responses to the problems are weak, but for instance with health care we do have a massive bomb about to explode.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

But it wasn't old under Clinton for 8 years and Bush 43 for 8 years? Bush couldn't pass a bill without reminding everyone that if they didn't support it they would soon be dead.

-spence

Spence, you will have to jog my memory of the Clinton and Bush years when Every bill was an emergency,crisis, or needed immediate action including the times when it was so massive and such a crisis Congress couldn't read it, let alone understand it before it was passed?

Obama is pushing most everything on the basis of fear.

Just caught some of his news conference where he wants to add more bureaucracy on top of the Fed and SEC.

He used the word crisis 5 times!

Is adding more bureaucracy a crisis, or does the FED and SEC need to get their act together and do their job?

Do we really need more government to mess up what they already messed up?

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Obama is pushing most everything on the basis of fear.

...

He used the word crisis 5 times!

Hmmm... sounds exactly like the justification for the Patriot Act, the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and most political decisions made by Bush. Just replace the word "crisis" for either "terrorists" or "WMDs".

Now, I'm not much a fan of what Obama is doing in terms of the possible healthcare plan or *some* of the regulations. However, the way he's trying to campaign support for them is no different than how most policies were pushed through in the last 8 years.

It's business as usual and the American public is still stupid enough to fall for it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I haven't been able to find where Hanson has said "that liberals don't care about lying because all truth is relative". He said that OBAMA is a postmodernist. HE believes that all truth is relative . . ." He was speaking throughout the piece about OBAMA'S lies, not liberals, and the "all truth is relative" is one example of why.

The author is clearly trying to make the same moral relativism argument against liberalism as was made in the other thread. That Obama can lie because it's easy for him to reinterpret the truth based on the situation to meet his needs at the moment.

The thing is that in 2009 most of us are postmodernists to some degree, but I don't know anyone who believes "all truth is relative".

So, then, since being "a politician in a leadership position" is the major or a major lightning rod for accusations, accusations against a politician in a leadership position must be dismissed, unexamined, have no merit, because they are accusations against a politician in a leadership position. Sounds like an extremely circular argument.

No, it means that the individual statements need to be taken in context. Some are just errors, some are spin and perhaps some are intentionally deceptive.

But Scott highlighted the critical passages. The author is asserting that it's because Obama is a postmodernist driven by multiculturalism that he's manipulating the truth to fit his agenda of equality.

This sounds a lot like the charges leveled at President Bush who was viewed by most Republicans as neither a liberal or postmodernist.

You can't have it both ways.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

But Scott highlighted the critical passages. The author is asserting that it's because Obama is a postmodernist driven by multiculturalism that he's manipulating the truth to fit his agenda of equality.

-spence

no. he states that because Obama is a postmodernist, among other things, he is perfectly comfortable "misleading" and manipulating the truth because it serves his "higher purpose" and all who oppose him are the "liars"...he said it yesterday, quite clearly..."those that tell you otherwise are simply not telling the truth" smirk...... a liar accusing others of lying about his intentional lies to further his agenda...interesting...