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Old 08-25-2022, 09:52 AM   #31
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you don’t get it. a tax cut is allowing people to keep more of what is theirs. It’s THEIRS. we can debate whether the wealthy pay enough, but that’s what a tax cut is.


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you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they can't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?

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Old 08-25-2022, 09:54 AM   #32
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Biden’s Student-Debt Bonfire Is a Classist Message to the Uncredentialed: Screw ’Em

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this as some elites scam of hard working minimum wage Americans whom republicans think don’t deserve 15.00 an hour and are using the working class as victims .

So disconnected that these workers who are construction workers or work factories . Or at the deli counter
Aspire for their kids to be more then them .

I was in the military and corrections officer not really by my choice but because my parents couldn’t pay for college on their own just like with my children 1 who needed loans to go to school and the other who joined the Air Force to pay for his ( which the tax payer’s pay)

Thus helps the middle and lower income people and Republicans can’t stand it .. because they might vote . But not for them
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helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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Old 08-25-2022, 10:03 AM   #33
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Like I said republicans are trying to twist this

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THE HILL Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers on Monday cautioned the Biden administration against extending the moratorium on federal student loan repayments and knocked “unreasonably generous student loan relief” he said could worsen inflation.
Summers rejected comparisons between student debt proposals and other instances in the recent past in which the federal government intervened with economic relief measures.

“There is no analogy with bank bailouts. Student loans are grants that cost the government money,” Summers said. “The bank bailouts were loans at premium interest in which the government turned a profit.”
Summers also noted that he was “not enthused” when the federal government offered “Paycheck Protection Loans” to small businesses during the economic upheaval of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“But, at the time it was extended, the economy was in the worst free fall in a century. Now, job openings are at record rates,” he added.

“I think the best way to relieve student debt would be to allow it to be discharged in bankruptcy,” Summers said. “I’d support this reform. It would also penalize other private creditors, unlike government debt relief that would in part subsidize them.”
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you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....

Wrongly accused. Show me where I fit in to your narrative, please.

they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they cab't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?
Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME in your political narrative, and your gross generalizations are showing your lack of insight for your argument.

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Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME

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I didn't even know you were here...
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Old 08-25-2022, 10:06 AM   #36
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Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME i

I was responding to Jim responding to Eben,,,,,,lay off the coffee
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Old 08-25-2022, 10:19 AM   #37
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300 billion is nothing, right. about $1,000 for every human being in the country.

you dodged my question. twice. so here it is a third time

Your daughters 7k loan is wiped out. why does she deserve that,, more than someone else who took out a 7k loan for something other than college? why is she more important?

please answer that question.
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Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame this issues as us against them

You seem to be making a standard for deserving.. when income is the only standard being used .



This relief isn’t about deserving or not deserving but you conveniently make it about that when you disagree ..


Does my son deserve to get his college paid because he served? Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .

No. neither of deserve those benefits provided. Just because we wore a uniform . We are entitled under the laws written Just like anyone whos getting this relief 99.9 % are thankful for the help . The other .01 may think they deserve it but they would be wrong

I just don’t view the word in such a distorted view

But you have no issues with vouchers for private schools . Never hear you say anything like why do they deserve to go to a private school . Do you feel families who own million dollar ocean front homes that get destroyed by hurricanes . Get rebuilt by government money
Never hear why do they deserve government assistance?

The GOP is just a childish driven party based on culture war division
Void of anything policy driven except the lower taxes mantra for the rich. I guess they are deserving of their tax reduction and the working class should STFU about that . Because without them you’d have no job
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Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME in your political narrative, and your gross generalizations are showing your lack of insight for your argument.

I love the passion with which this was written though....too funny
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Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame....

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great way to frame an angry response to Jim...
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helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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I bet you think they are in the majority right! Getting 10 in relief

But keep focusing you arguments on the possible 1% marking over 250k. And ignore the majority
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1231771]helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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This program will completely erase the student debt of about 20 million.

20 million AMERICANS. Which includes republicans democrats independent all races and religions

And yet Republicans are upset

Let that soak in they are upset that 20 million people will have a few extra bucks to put back into their families
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Old 08-25-2022, 10:47 AM   #43
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Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .


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this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....
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you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they can't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?
Scott, did you ever have a student loan?
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this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....
Yep you’re on the wagon of only partying college students are the ones getting this relief

But I guess in your world view there are no students who’s have paid 90 k back . of the hundred k they borrowed ?

But They are partying losers for getting their last 10k relived .

I don’t consider Deserve and entitled as being same thing.


Ps who are all these people who don’t want to pay their loans back?

Oh wait that’s what you’ve been told is happening..

I bet. You think the 15% min corporate tax increases is a tax increase on you because that’s what you were told

Top Republican Tax-Writer Falsely Claims that Minimum Tax for Huge Corporations Is a Tax Hike on Middle-Class

See a trend
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Scott, did you ever have a student loan?
yes, why does that matter?
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Yep you’re on the wagon of only partying college students are the ones getting this relief

But I guess in your world view there are no students who’s have paid 90 k back . of the hundred k they borrowed ?

But They are partying losers for getting their last 10k relived .

I don’t consider Deserve and entitled are being same thing.
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I actually didn't say any of this....
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I just realized why so many trumpers are loosing their minds over this.

THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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yes, why does that matter?
BC I just wondering if you understand the burden of college loans.

I thought you mon was a Dr. So how much did you have in loans?
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I actually didn't say any of this....
I forgot You never say anything or imply anything ever .
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BC I just wondering if you understand the burden of college loans.

You're mom was a Dr. right so how much did you have in loans?
Every loan, not just college loans, is a burden, right?

Why college loans? Why not make us help other people with other kinds of loans?

People who make 250k a year need our help to pay off student loan debt? Schools with massive endowments need our help to stay flush with cash?

I don't get it. I get where pro-abortion people are coming from, I get where anti-gun people are coming from...this issue might be the stupidest idea in 100 years.
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Why is the burden of a college loan more important than the burden of a mortgage? Or the burden of a car loan?

You wanted something, you borrowed the money to get it, now you have to pay it back. It’s really that simple.
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THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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Every loan, not just college loans, is a burden, right?

Why college loans? Why not make us help other people with other kinds of loans?

People who make 250k a year need our help to pay off student loan debt? Schools with massive endowments need our help to stay flush with cash?some endowments require schools to only use the funds for certain things - like prof. salaries or maintenance of buildings or funding of labs so the $ can't be used how ever the school wants.

I don't get it. I get where pro-abortion people are coming from, I get where anti-gun people are coming from...this issue might be the stupidest idea in 100 years.
All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.
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Did you go to college ?
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All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.
renters are not paying a loan....not sure how that fits into "all loans are a burden"
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All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.
We also used to at least, give student loan interest deductions. This isn't that. Not even close.
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renters are not paying a loan....not sure how that fits into "all loans are a burden"
a select few benefit. Not renters in this case. The gov. subsidized my purchase of my house but doesn't provide a similar benefit to renters.

Our tax code (and other policies) picks winners and losers.
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Nope, I went into the military out of HS. Although I did enroll in a certificate program and earned a certificate in Data Communications at Northeastern University when I got out.

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a select few benefit. Not renters in this case. The gov. subsidized my purchase of my house but doesn't provide a similar benefit to renters.

Our tax code (and other policies) picks winners and losers.
you keep making less sense ....
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