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Old 10-09-2019, 10:07 AM   #1
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turkey already bombing syria

that didn’t take long. wow.

turkey is saying that the kurds who helped us defeat isis, are conspiring with kurdish terrorists within turkey. anyone have any idea if that’s true?
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:20 AM   #2
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Don't worry Lindsey is sending them thoughts and prayers.
And when Congress gets back from recess he'll sanction Turkey, Erdogan is sweating bullets.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:31 AM   #3
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It’s funny you are skeptical of turkey trying to assign Kurdish terrorist threats within their boarders, yet blindly side with trump’s border issues as a threat to our safety.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:45 AM   #4
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It’s funny you are skeptical of turkey trying to assign Kurdish terrorist threats within their boarders, yet blindly side with trump’s border issues as a threat to our safety.
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that’s because i know how to think. i don’t always assume one person or one side is always correct or always wrong. which is why i side with liberals on some big issues ( gay marriage).

if you don’t think our southern border has been a huge problem
for both the US and those, especially women, making the crossing (30% of
whom are being assaulted according to some data), i think that says a lot more about you, then
it does about me.

Sometimes I think Trump is correct, sometimes I think he's wrong. That's funny to you. Please tell me, by what logic, should I assume that either he's right 100% of the time, or wrong 100% of the time.

Do you guys on the left here, really not see that you're the exact mirror image of Sean Hannity? How do you not see that? You're exactly as thoughtless, predictable, and close minded as he is.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:26 AM   #6
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Bad move by Trump imo, you don't hang friends out to die. I somehow see Turkey and Iran rumbling in Syria and maybe that's his endgame???

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that didn’t take long. wow.

turkey is saying that the kurds who helped us defeat isis, are conspiring with kurdish terrorists within turkey. anyone have any idea if that’s true?
Similar to the struggles between the UK and Northern Ireland, just goes back a lot longer in time and has been more violent.

If you guys don't understand why so many see Trump as a threat to national security now I doubt you ever will. He has no idea what he's doing and making snap decisions in a vacuum. It's dangerous.
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that’s because i know how to think. i don’t always assume one person or one side is always correct or always wrong. which is why i side with liberals on some big issues ( gay marriage).

if you don’t think our southern border has been a huge problem
for both the US and those, especially women, making the crossing (30% of
whom are being assaulted according to some data), i think that says a lot more about you, then
it does about me.

Sometimes I think Trump is correct, sometimes I think he's wrong. That's funny to you. Please tell me, by what logic, should I assume that either he's right 100% of the time, or wrong 100% of the time.

Do you guys on the left here, really not see that you're the exact mirror image of Sean Hannity? How do you not see that? You're exactly as thoughtless, predictable, and close minded as he is.
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Bad move by Trump imo, you don't hang friends out to die. I somehow see Turkey and Iran rumbling in Syria and maybe that's his endgame???
Best odds of WW3 in our generation
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You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:04 PM   #10
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:16 PM   #11
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When Trump is done history books will read: Prior to the Trump Administration the United States was the dominant world power.

China has reacted positively to Russia's call for a regional coalition to ensure security in the Persian Gulf as the United States and Iran have pursued their own rival agendas there.

Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July as tensions between Washington and Tehran neared an all-out crisis. Russian President Vladimir Putin officially proposed Thursday that "a security and cooperation organization be created in the region almost from scratch." He suggested that "Russia, China, the U.S., the EU, India and other interested countries could join as observers."

Asked about this idea, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang declined to "offer a principled response before checking for more information" at a press conference Tuesday, but said Beijing was open to such considerations.

"China has been closely following the complex and sensitive situation in the Gulf region," Geng added. "Safeguarding peace and stability in the region is in the shared interests of the international community. China welcomes all proposals and diplomatic efforts conducive to deescalating the situation in the Gulf region. We would also like to stay in communication with all relevant parties."

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:32 PM   #12
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WH puts out a brilliant statement and remember military operations of this scale take time to put in place. The phone call was on Sunday. Maybe Trump will draw another red line.

"This morning, Turkey, a NATO member, invaded Syria. The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea."

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:36 PM   #13
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Another case of us abandoning our allies.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:05 PM   #14
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Turkey says Trump knew ‘precisely’ about scope of N. Syria operation. “President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is,” Gulnur Aybet, Senior Adviser to the President of Turkey

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Pete, I read and consider your point of view often enough to almost know what rhetoric to expect in the New Posts every morning... But I had to take exception with your following post;

Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July

Believe nothing coming out of that country as long as Putin reigns. He is of same cloth as Stalin. Beware.... Not as large an economic potential problem as China, but we know who/what he is... Ex KGB, flying warplanes in the same skies as ours in support of Assad, after invading Ukraine despite the world's protests.

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Another case of us abandoning our allies.
And the probable release of 10,000 ISIS fighters...

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WH puts out a brilliant statement and remember military operations of this scale take time to put in place. The phone call was on Sunday. Maybe Trump will draw another red line.

"This morning, Turkey, a NATO member, invaded Syria. The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea."
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And I think Trump did know what was to come and what if my son or daughter were one of the fifty pulled out in advance??? I see both sides of the coin, and he is in the seat of no good options. But fifty Americans are not enough to have made a difference in the face of this operation and would have been a horrible, needless sacrifice if he had not pulled them out...

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Turkey wasn’t going to invade at the risk of harming US service men and women, one phone call with Trump clears the path, with as you noted risking setting free 10000 hard core enemies; very bad move IMHO. What is more disturbing to me is that this was for one of two political reasons, to fulfill a campaign promise or to distract attention from the impeachment inquiry.
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But fifty Americans are not enough to have made a difference in the face of this operation and would have been a horrible, needless sacrifice if he had not pulled them out...
People keep talking about the number of US troops, remember we have a major air base in Turkey providing air support to the Kurds fighting ISIS. Now Syria and Russia will be able to hammer whomever they want.
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Turkey wanted our support troops out, that was the only obstacle to them taking it to the Kurds. Could it be as simple as this president compromised by his family’s business interests, they own twin towers in Istanbul and it’s reported over 118 other interests in ongoing business ventures. I believe he is at his core corrupt and ran for two reasons, fame and family fortune.
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Pete, I read and consider your point of view often enough to almost know what rhetoric to expect in the New Posts every morning... But I had to take exception with your following post;

Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July

Believe nothing coming out of that country as long as Putin reigns. He is of same cloth as Stalin. Beware.... Not as large an economic potential problem as China, but we know who/what he is... Ex KGB, flying warplanes in the same skies as ours in support of Assad, after invading Ukraine despite the world's protests.
I don’t disagree
Though I would say Putin has far better apparatchik than Stalin
I worry about our position in the world order that Trump is unknowingly throwing away.
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I see nobody has any justification for why this is a good idea.
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And I think Trump did know what was to come and what if my son or daughter were one of the fifty pulled out in advance??? I see both sides of the coin, and he is in the seat of no good options. But fifty Americans are not enough to have made a difference in the face of this operation and would have been a horrible, needless sacrifice if he had not pulled them out...
We have the big hammer and if it is worth nothing why do we commit far more of our GDP than any other country. Keep in mind that the Citrus Caligula brags falsely of providing ammunition that he claims was not there prior to his administration. Lying as usual
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I just spoke to a distraught US Special Forces soldier who is among the 1000 or so US troops in Syria tonight who is serving alongside the SDF Kurdish forces. It was one of the hardest phone calls I have ever taken.

"I am ashamed for the first time in my career."
This veteran US Special forces soldier has trained indigenous forces on multiple continents. He is on the frontlines tonight and said they are witnessing Turkish atrocities.

"Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It's horrible," this military source on the ground told me.
"We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement. There was NO threat to the Turks - NONE - from this side of the border." "This is insanity," the concerned US service member told me. ""I don't know what they call atrocities but they are happening."
This American soldier told me the Kurds have not left their positions guarding the ISIS prisoners. In fact "they prevented a prison break last night without us."
"They are not abandoning our side (yet)."
The Kurds are "pleading for our support." We are doing "nothing."
Troops on the ground in Syria and their commanders were "surprised" by the decision Sunday night.
Of the President's decision: "He doesn't understand the problem. He doesn't understand the repercussions of this. Erdogan is an Islamist, not a level headed actor."
Acc to this US soldier on the ground tonight in Syria: "The Kurds are as close to Western thinking in the Middle East as anyone. "It's a shame. It's horrible." "This is not helping the ISIS fight." Re: ISIS prisoners: "Many of them will be free in the coming days and weeks."
This US Special Forces soldier wanted me to know: "The Kurds are sticking by us. No other partner I have ever dealt with would stand by us."
Disappointed in the decisions coming from their senior leaders.

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I just spoke to a distraught US Special Forces soldier who is among the 1000 or so US troops in Syria tonight who is serving alongside the SDF Kurdish forces. It was one of the hardest phone calls I have ever taken.

"I am ashamed for the first time in my career."
This veteran US Special forces soldier has trained indigenous forces on multiple continents. He is on the frontlines tonight and said they are witnessing Turkish atrocities.

"Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It's horrible," this military source on the ground told me.
"We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement. There was NO threat to the Turks - NONE - from this side of the border." "This is insanity," the concerned US service member told me. ""I don't know what they call atrocities but they are happening."
This American soldier told me the Kurds have not left their positions guarding the ISIS prisoners. In fact "they prevented a prison break last night without us."
"They are not abandoning our side (yet)."
The Kurds are "pleading for our support." We are doing "nothing."
Troops on the ground in Syria and their commanders were "surprised" by the decision Sunday night.
Of the President's decision: "He doesn't understand the problem. He doesn't understand the repercussions of this. Erdogan is an Islamist, not a level headed actor."
Acc to this US soldier on the ground tonight in Syria: "The Kurds are as close to Western thinking in the Middle East as anyone. "It's a shame. It's horrible." "This is not helping the ISIS fight." Re: ISIS prisoners: "Many of them will be free in the coming days and weeks."
This US Special Forces soldier wanted me to know: "The Kurds are sticking by us. No other partner I have ever dealt with would stand by us."
Disappointed in the decisions coming from their senior leaders.

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Trump gave Turkey the green light.

They took it.

Justify that
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that didn’t take long. wow.

turkey is saying that the kurds who helped us defeat isis, are conspiring with kurdish terrorists within turkey. anyone have any idea if that’s true?

The Kurds they are fighting are the PKK, pretty much the Bad Guy Commies. Of course Turkey calls all the Kurds PKK which is pretty far from the truth. The Kurds have been ifghting Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran long before the first time someone shouted Allah Akbar.

SOME of them worked with us to kill ISIS, they were going to fight them anyway.

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That started rising arguably since the Red Line in Syria and taking Crimea.

Pre-Trump. I could make a good case that it has been increasing pretty much since the end of the Cold War when WE blew it.

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When Trump is done history books will read: Prior to the Trump Administration the United States was the dominant world power.

China has reacted positively to Russia's call for a regional coalition to ensure security in the Persian Gulf as the United States and Iran have pursued their own rival agendas there.

Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July as tensions between Washington and Tehran neared an all-out crisis. Russian President Vladimir Putin officially proposed Thursday that "a security and cooperation organization be created in the region almost from scratch." He suggested that "Russia, China, the U.S., the EU, India and other interested countries could join as observers."

Asked about this idea, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang declined to "offer a principled response before checking for more information" at a press conference Tuesday, but said Beijing was open to such considerations.

"China has been closely following the complex and sensitive situation in the Gulf region," Geng added. "Safeguarding peace and stability in the region is in the shared interests of the international community. China welcomes all proposals and diplomatic efforts conducive to deescalating the situation in the Gulf region. We would also like to stay in communication with all relevant parties."
Pete, this did not start in 2017. The SCO does back to 2001. Your credibility has been waning as of late.

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People keep talking about the number of US troops, remember we have a major air base in Turkey providing air support to the Kurds fighting ISIS. Now Syria and Russia will be able to hammer whomever they want.
Just as long as we have pulled the nukes out. Right now the only real reason we should have any goodwill to Turkey is to keepo them somewhere between our sphere and Russia's. They are not our freinds.

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I don't like it. But we did say we were going to leave one day, and it is (mostly) the PKK. Don't confuse all Kurds with the PKK, a lot of that going on.

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