Roy Moore / Al Franken

[wdmso]

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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doubt it....

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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one is a democrat that will probably run for president now ...that's the only difference

[JohnR]

The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

- People in power wielding their power over others - at times more sinister than others - but almost always at the significant expense of the other

Originally Posted by wdmso

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

About Moore my only comment is 14yrs old

Huh - you are going awfully light on Franken.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

It was there in some not in others - both parties did a good job of putting the sludge of the septic forward

Originally Posted by wdmso

most of theses women see their is safety in Numbers less stigma and easy to attack 1 women but when multiple women come out on 1 person with the same story thats a game changer

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

You forcibly kissed me without my consent,(thats an issues)
grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it,( never touched her breast or even the body armor see photo ) knowing I would see it later ( seem shes had the photo since 2006 ) , and be ashamed.(thats why he took it? to shame her ? by that photo? shes not ashamed of her other phots across the internet?

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

Huh - you are defending Franken??

Originally Posted by spence

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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Yes, one is disqualifying and the other should have had jail time. Neither is acceptable.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??

it's amazing how often Gloria Allred pops up with a client on the eve of an election

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??



- People in power wielding their power over others - at times more sinister than others - but almost always at the significant expense of the other



Huh - you are going awfully light on Franken.



It was there in some not in others - both parties did a good job of putting the sludge of the septic forward



Huh - you are defending Franken??



Yes, one is disqualifying and the other should have had jail time. Neither is acceptable.

"The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. "

Correct. How do you defend yourself, against accusations made decades earlier?

Also, the Duke lacrosse case is a reminder of why we are all innocent until proven guilty. This is a tough issue.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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Both politicians are accused of forcing themselves upon women, without consent. True or false?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

Of course it’s political, why else would Trump blast Franken and say nothing about Moore. From what I’ve read Franken just stepped a bit over the line, while Moore seems to be almost a border line sex offender; but he is from the south where maybe he feels if my pappy could why not me.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?

[BigBo]

And now George H.W.
I don't condone it on either side of the political spectrum, but found this one somewhat comical. It probably came about due to senility/dimentia? Does he even know he's doing something wrong?
There are some women accusers I find comical as well.

And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by BigBo

And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me.

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

As I, yours.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?

No not at all. But that's nothat happen they are not the same thing

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester
To consider theses the same thing is not reality

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by BigBo

John, my post about Barry was in jest.
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I know ; ) - Some don't do it in jest - I don't like some of the things she has said in the past

[scottw]

OOPS!

POLITICS 11/17/2017

Women On Clinton And Sanders Campaigns Allege Sexual Harassment

Lilian Adams and Zoey Jordan Salsbury worked on opposite sides of the Democratic presidential primary. But they had similar problems.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b045cf43705417

geez.....you'd think based on the narrative, the Trump campaign would be riddled with sexual harassment charges...but it's the highly evolved dems????...seems like it's practically part of the culture on the left...so much so that they are happy to be photographed


HEY JOE...THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE EITHER.....gitchy...gitchty...gooo

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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convicted of anything.......

thats not your standard when it was Obama or Hilliary.. weinstein or spacey

but now with Moore a likely pedophile with 8 accusers you use the hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

[Got Stripers]

To learn that 15 million of our taxpayer dollars went to pay off sexual harassment claims is so wrong, this aholes should be paying off those claims with their own money.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"

In a way you are right. Picture shows bad taste, but he isn't touching her. Also provides a witness (photographer). It would exonerate him in that particular instance.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"

this isn't a trial in court this isn't false flag operation

its 9 American women under the age of 17 .... Did you feel the same way about bill Cosby.. it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...

or just funny?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

convicted of anything.......

thats not your standard when it was Obama or Hilliary.. weinstein or spacey

but now with Moore a likely pedophile with 8 accusers you use the hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

Jesus God almighty...

With Moore and Franken, it's a he said/she said situation. Not so when you are judging people for what they actually say and do. Am I going too fast for you?