when did democrats start opposing the fillibuster?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

GA has very high black voting turnout.
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In Georgia is doing everything they can to lower that turn out. Intent
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

In Georgia is doing everything they can to lower that turn out. Intent
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if that’s their intent, they’re failing.

if you’re afraid of voter integrity, maybe it’s because you’re counting on shenanigans.

what’s the intent behind dodging questions?
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[Pete F.]

If you think people should go to jail for fraudulently casting one person's vote, shouldn't they also go to jail for attempting to forge the votes of millions?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you think people should go to jail for fraudulently casting one person's vote, shouldn't they also go to jail for attempting to forge the votes of millions?
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please point out where i said anyone should go to jail
for anything voting related?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

please point out where i said anyone should go to jail
for anything voting related?
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he likes to skip around...serious adhd

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

he likes to skip around...serious adhd

more like schizophrenia.
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[scottw]

BareShelvesBiden was trending earlier in the week...I suspect BadWeekBiden will begin trending shortly....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

BareShelvesBiden was trending earlier in the week...I suspect BadWeekBiden will begin trending shortly....

He's having such an obviously horrible week, that even he might be realizing he had a bad week.

When Al Sharpton criticizes you because you gave a speech that was too divisive, too hateful towards the other side, you know you went too far.

[PaulS]

What's the intent of limiting drop boxes in Fulton County which is Atlanta to one for every hundred thousand people?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if that’s their intent, they’re failing.

if you’re afraid of voter integrity, maybe it’s because you’re counting on shenanigans.

what’s the intent behind dodging questions?
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they passed laws since the last election in Georgia which they lost. If you're afraid of people voting and do all you can to prevent them from voting you're just plain sleazy. I have no intention of dodging questions but once you start responding to every question that Jim wants you're on page 20.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

they passed laws since the last election in Georgia which they lost. If you're afraid of people voting and do all you can to prevent them from voting you're just plain sleazy. I have no intention of dodging questions but once you start responding to every question that Jim wants you're on page 20.
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Yes GA passed a new law. The new (current) law, allows MORE days of early voting than Bidens state of Deleware, and has the same voter ID requirements that MN has. But no one is complaining about those states. Because everything is always OK when democrats do it, only a problem when Republicans do it.

"do all you can to prevent them from voting you're just plain sleazy"

For the 3rd time (sorry if you responded), why isn't is "sleazy" for CT to require that we show an id to vote? Why is it only "sleazy" to you, when republicans suggest it?

I want everyone to vote. Just prove who you are. We all have ids today. Can't do much without one.

" have no intention of dodging questions but once you start responding to every question that Jim wants you're on page 20.
"

So you have the time to insult me for asking questions, but not the time to simply answer the question.

Connecticut is as blue as it gets, and you cannot vote without showing a picture id. But you won't call Connecticut sleazy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

What's the intent of limiting drop boxes in Fulton County which is Atlanta to one for every hundred thousand people?
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Sincere question, what's a drop box? People just drop off a ballot? No one checks who they are? If that's what they are, there should be zero drop boxes. But I think it's a good idea to have more polling places. No one should have to wait more than an hour to vote.

That's what it looks like to answer a question. You asked a good and fair question, and I answered it directly.

What would it take, for you to show me the same courtesy?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes GA passed a new law. The new (current) law, allows MORE days of early voting than Bidens state of Deleware, and has the same voter ID requirements that MN has. But no one is complaining about those states. Because everything is always OK when democrats do it, only a problem when Republicans do it.

"do all you can to prevent them from voting you're just plain sleazy"

For the 3rd time (sorry if you responded), why isn't is "sleazy" for CT to require that we show an id to vote? Why is it only "sleazy" to you, when republicans suggest it?

I want everyone to vote. Just prove who you are. We all have ids today. Can't do much without one.

" have no intention of dodging questions but once you start responding to every question that Jim wants you're on page 20.
"

So you have the time to insult me for asking questions, but not the time to simply answer the question.

Connecticut is as blue as it gets, and you cannot vote without showing a picture id. But you won't call Connecticut sleazy.

You could compare one state to another all you want but the fact of the matter is Georgia is changing their laws to make it harder for people to vote. It has nothing to do with fraud. The INTENT is to limit people's ability to vote.

If you think that's an insult stop your whining. You can take that as an insult I guess.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sincere question, what's a drop box? People just drop off a ballot? No one checks who they are? If that's what they are, there should be zero drop boxes. But I think it's a good idea to have more polling places. No one should have to wait more than an hour to vote.

That's what it looks like to answer a question. You asked a good and fair question, and I answered it directly.

What would it take, for you to show me the same courtesy?

Because we've answered this question dozens of times why some people have a hard time getting IDs. Go back and search. Why do we need to discuss the same thing over and over and over again because Jim wants to talk about it and if the other person doesn't want to engage with Jim then Jim thinks their duc king the question when in fact nobody is interested in going back and forth again and again and again and again with you. Even answering it one more time is ridiculous because next time you bring up the same issue you're going to say the same thing over and over and over again and will ask the person to just answer it one more time.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You could compare one state to another all you want but the fact of the matter is Georgia is changing their laws to make it harder for people to vote. It has nothing to do with fraud. The INTENT is to limit people's ability to vote.

If you think that's an insult stop your whining. You can take that as an insult I guess.
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If the intent is to limit peoples ability to vote, then it would limit the ability of potentially everyone in Georgia to vote since it applies to all the counties in Georgia not just to Fulton, and to all Republicans as well as Dems in Fulton and the other counties. Drop boxes were a Covid emergency program, not something that was meant to be forever. Lowering the number of drop boxes may be less convenient for some, but does not limit the ability to vote. Making it more and more convenient can lead to making it easier for shenanigans. The most reliable method is in person voting with ID. If we expand the number of days or weeks to vote, and we create more polling places and more hours in the day to vote, that should take care the problem of long lines and ability to easily walk to a voting location, and would make in person voting more convenient.

I prefer the most reliable way to the most convenient. I believe voting is too important (one of the most important things in a democratic system) to settle for convenience over reliability. Even if some believe that there is supposedly no evidence of substantial fraud.

And Georgia's voting law has been lied about:

https://news.yahoo.com/setting-recor...164658566.html

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Because we've answered this question dozens of times why some people have a hard time getting IDs. Go back and search. Why do we need to discuss the same thing over and over and over again because Jim wants to talk about it and if the other person doesn't want to engage with Jim then Jim thinks their duc king the question when in fact nobody is interested in going back and forth again and again and again and again with you. Even answering it one more time is ridiculous because next time you bring up the same issue you're going to say the same thing over and over and over again and will ask the person to just answer it one more time.
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why isn’t CTs voter ID requirement racist then?

answer : i have no desire to go back and forth.

it’s not hard to get ids. how do those people do banking, go to the doctor, get medicine, etc? if there are a meaningful number of people who are that disenfranchised ( and that’s a huge “if”) why do they all of a sudden want to participate in society on election day?

doesn’t pass the common sense test.

you can make a good case about gerrymandering and closing polling places. but a huge majority of americans favor voter ID laws. are they all racist?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Because we've answered this question dozens of times why some people have a hard time getting IDs. Go back and search. Why do we need to discuss the same thing over and over and over again because Jim wants to talk about it and if the other person doesn't want to engage with Jim then Jim thinks their duc king the question when in fact nobody is interested in going back and forth again and again and again and again with you. Even answering it one more time is ridiculous because next time you bring up the same issue you're going to say the same thing over and over and over again and will ask the person to just answer it one more time.
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actually, Jim asked a question about a current topic to begin the thread and you reflexively began vomiting the same false talking points that you've vomited over and over sooooo....maybe bring some new material

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Since the right to vote is prob. the most important thing we can do as a citizen, Biden prob. got fed up w/states trying to prevent citizens from voting by passing voting restrictions in an attempt to prevent people from voting (Intent).

It is crazy to pass a law that says you cannot give someone in line waiting to vote a bottle of water. How about opening (instead of closing) more voting places so people don't have to wait in line so long that they actually get hungry/thirsty.




"REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO DRINK WATER!!!!!"RACISTS!!!!!


really???

[scottw]

have you noticed that the same people that accuse of others of authoritarianism and fascism and various other isms are the ones constantly trying to consolidate and centralize power and control of virtually every aspect of life in Washington where unaccountable agencies and mega corporations and media can keep everyone in line and told what to think?....or else

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

have you noticed that the same people that accuse of others of authoritarianism and fascism and various other isms are the ones constantly trying to consolidate and centralize power and control of virtually every aspect of life in Washington where unaccountable agencies and mega corporations and media can keep everyone in line and told what to think?....or else

“projecting” - when those who want more federal government take over, accuse those who want more personal liberty, of being authoritarian.

it sounds great. But it doesn’t exactly make sense.
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[Pete F.]

National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it...

Steve Bannon: “But the oligarchs’ day is coming. Remember, we’re going to turn all the social media companies into public utilities — public utilities, and get like a 7% return … and the public has to have a voice in the control of it.”

He’s a nationalist *and* a socialist.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it...

Steve Bannon: “But the oligarchs’ day is coming. Remember, we’re going to turn all the social media companies into public utilities — public utilities, and get like a 7% return … and the public has to have a voice in the control of it.”

He’s a nationalist *and* a socialist.
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he’s also irrelevant. conservatives, by and large, don’t want nationalism.

conservatives want less federal control.

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[Pete F.]

Bannon is not irrelevant.
He’s on the air for three hours every day.
Plenty of Trumplicans follow and believe.
The Gym Jordans, MTGs, Gohmerts, Ghoulianis and Rapey McForeheads are a significant force in the Trumplican Party.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Bannon is not irrelevant.
He’s on the air for three hours every day.
Plenty of Trumplicans follow and believe.
The Gym Jordans, MTGs, Gohmerts, Ghoulianis and Rapey McForeheads are a significant force in the Trumplican Party.
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where is he on the air? on a major network?

he’s relevant to the fringe. not to the mainstream.

pete, most republicans don’t want what he described. i’m sorry if that makes it harder for you to paint us all as marxists. but most of us want less federal intrusion into our lives,,not more. That’s the truth whether you like it or not.

the left wants bigger federal government, the right wants smaller federal government. That’s the way it is, regardless of your hilarious nicknames for all of them.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Gym Jordans, MTGs, Gohmerts, Ghoulianis and Rapey McForeheads are a significant force in the Trumplican Party.


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ok...that was pretty funny,,,,,,

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

where is he on the air? on a major network?

he’s relevant to the fringe. not to the mainstream.

pete, most republicans don’t want what he described. i’m sorry if that makes it harder for you to paint us all as marxists. but most of us want less federal intrusion into our lives,,not more. That’s the truth whether you like it or not.

the left wants bigger federal government, the right wants smaller federal government. That’s the way it is, regardless of your hilarious nicknames for all of them.
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Plenty of the Trumplicans think that they deserve control of the government.

That’s why the people who forged the election documents and submitted them to the National Archives not only were stupid enough to think this would work, they actually filmed themselves signing the forgery.

No, stupidity is not a defense.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Plenty of the Trumplicans think that they deserve control of the government.

That’s why the people who forged the election documents and submitted them to the National Archives not only were stupid enough to think this would work, they actually filmed themselves signing the forgery.

No, stupidity is not a defense.
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each side thinks they deserve control. it’s what they aspire to do with it. jeez.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it...

Steve Bannon: “But the oligarchs’ day is coming. Remember, we’re going to turn all the social media companies into public utilities — public utilities, and get like a 7% return … and the public has to have a voice in the control of it.”

He’s a nationalist *and* a socialist.
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National Socialism was the doctrine of the NAZI party. You, and others on this forum have claimed that the NAZIs were "conservatives." Here, you are implying they were socialists. Which is it?

Here, you imply that Bannon is a socialist because he wants to turn social media companies into public utilities. But public utilities are not necessarily government owned. They can also be privately owned. And you have claimed that the US is not socialist. Even though we have lots of public utilities. And you seem to be in favor of more and more government regulation and control of business and healthcare. So which is it? Are we socialist or capitalist?

Bannon, BTW, is a capitalist--as in what he considers "enlightened capitalism." He is against crony capitalism and the Ayn Rand form of capitalism. He wants to deconstruct the administrative state (the semi-socialistic grip on our lives by unelected bureaucrats). And he is virulently against various forms of 20th century authoritarianism. His 2004 documentary film shows the evils of Bolshevism, Communism, Nazism, and Fascism. He is pro-Western Civilization--particularly the Judeo-Christian West.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

National Socialism was the doctrine of the NAZI party. You, and others on this forum have claimed that the NAZIs were "conservatives." Here, you are implying they were socialists. Which is it?

Here, you imply that Bannon is a socialist because he wants to turn social media companies into public utilities. But public utilities are not necessarily government owned. They can also be privately owned. And you have claimed that the US is not socialist. Even though we have lots of public utilities. And you seem to be in favor of more and more government regulation and control of business and healthcare. So which is it? Are we socialist or capitalist?

Bannon, BTW, is a capitalist--as in what he considers "enlightened capitalism." He is against crony capitalism and the Ayn Rand form of capitalism. He wants to deconstruct the administrative state (the semi-socialistic grip on our lives by unelected bureaucrats). And he is virulently against various forms of 20th century authoritarianism. His 2004 documentary film shows the evils of Bolshevism, Communism, Nazism, and Fascism. He is pro-Western Civilization--particularly the Judeo-Christian West.

Now you can extoll the virtues of Viktor Orban, Putin and Bolsonaro
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now you can extoll the virtues of Viktor Orban, Putin and Bolsonaro
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After not being able to clarify if you believe having public utilities makes a country sorcialist, or whether you believe NAZIS were socialist or believe they were conservative, are you admitting that being a capitalist is a virtue?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

National Socialism was the doctrine of the NAZI party. You, and others on this forum have claimed that the NAZIs were "conservatives." .

I don't know when we started equating Nazis with conservatives, but it's absurd. They wanted massive, total, federal control of peoples lives. That does sound somewhat like one of the two American political parties, but it ain't the conservatives.