Ft.Hood terrorist.

[basswipe]

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

[buckman]

Oh boy, Your not going to be happy with the PC bunch here

[Raider Ronnie]

It's a shame they didn't finish the bastard off & kill him.
Now we get to house him and feed him till the day he dies or till his appeals run out and they humanely stick a needle in his arm and let him go to sleep !

[nightfighter]

Can't believe he was "known" to the intelligence folks, who, after seeing he reached out to these foreign factions, did not step in and grab his azz..... WTF has happened here??? I expect he will be tried in a military court, not a federal court.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

[Fly Rod]

The PC's will not respond until the President says that the creep was found not to be of sound mind and was disturb and no terrorist act was committed on my watch. That is when the PC's will argue the point.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.
...

this was not a tragedy, if you check the definition... a tragedy is a generally inevitable or unavoidable act of the force of nature, luck or God.....

tragedy - an event resulting in great loss and misfortune; "the whole city was affected by the irremediable calamity"; "the earthquake was a disaster"
calamity, catastrophe, disaster, cataclysm
misfortune, bad luck - unnecessary and unforeseen trouble resulting from an unfortunate event
act of God, force majeure, inevitable accident, unavoidable casualty, vis majorable

this was an outrage....

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

Exactly what I expected to hear.

I directed my tirade at no one.I never mentioned the faults of the US Army or Government.I never mentioned military policy on religion.I never mentioned any S-B memeber's name and yet you responded and you bring up Jews,Aryan Nation etc.

My original post did what was intended.I threw out the bait and you took it hook,line and sinker.It was so easy it frightens me.

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

But none of this matters.I had a great day.I fished.I drank.I did(raked dammit!)20 bags of leaves.And I'm a Vet....I feel good about myself.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Exactly what I expected to hear.

This is your default response to just about anything. He could have said the sky looked neon green with stripes of purple and you'd response "exactly what I expected to hear."

People that act like you are why the KKK still has a strong following.

I still find it funny that you pissed and moaned because I made a generalized statement about a group of people, yet you've made multiple in this thread. Maybe you shouldn't drink before making posts.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

This is your default response to just about anything. He could have said the sky looked neon green with stripes of purple and you'd response "exactly what I expected to hear."

People that act like you are why the KKK still has a strong following.

I still find it funny that you pissed and moaned because I made a generalized statement about a group of people, yet you've made multiple in this thread. Maybe you shouldn't drink before making posts.

Smoke up some more dude.I'll never understand people like you who compare me to the KKK.Its like comparing me to a nazi who just killed some jews.Get a grip johnny I'm a fvcking Armenian.I live with people who're the relatives of 2.5 million people slaughterd by muslims.Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

Someone should take their own advice - especially a person that hasn't put an ounce of intelligence into any of their posts in here.

At least for once you didn't start a post with "Exactly the response I expected."

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I'll never understand people like you who compare me to the KKK.Its like comparing me to a nazi who just killed some jews.Get a grip johnny I'm a fvcking Armenian.I live with people who're the relatives of 2.5 million people slaughterd by muslims.Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

You sound a lot like the black activists who say that African Americans can't be racists.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .

Originally Posted by basswipe

And I'm a Vet

Thanks for your service

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .


Thanks for your service

your PC'ness is a tragedy...

4a. a flaw of character or conflict with some ovepowering force

people like JD and you and Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton who constantly twist and warp the definitions of words to suit your agenda should stop asking people to "define" things for you..it is a pointless exercise....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

your PC'ness is a tragedy...

4a. a flaw of character or conflict with some ovepowering force

people like JD and you and Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton who constantly twist and warp the definitions of words to suit your agenda should stop asking people to "define" things for you..it is a pointless exercise....

Are you sure you aren't defining yourself exactly? There's a difference between presenting facts (my posts), and making statements based on out-of-context, contorted commentaries and delusion(your posts).

I would love a couple of examples where I "twist and warp the definitions of words to suit my agenda." Quite frankly, you either copy paste something from some vague conservative website or commentary, or you make up a response that often doesn't even begin to make sense. The part of asking people like you and asswipe to define things is that you get stuck against the corner because now you're being asked make a statement based on facts - to which you just dance around the point and make a post like the one you just made.

After a few examples of how *I* twist and warp things, I'll show you a laundry list of when you have.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Exactly what I expected to hear.
You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
I repeatedly said all I disagree with this being 'terrorism' and was more likely a mass murder, rampage type event by a nut job. More and more likely since he seems to have been deemed psychotic by his colleagues, who did nothing but pass the buck since he was being transferred out of Walter Reed.

Never in any of the above did I think he doesn't deserve to be punished. Period. I just think keeping him alive at Leavenworth is more punishment than the death penalty.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?

You idiot.

You're either with US (i.e. Wipe and Scottw) or you're with the TERRORISTS.

This thread is so sad.

Pretty soon people will be shooting up geology departments as a "preemptive measure" to prevent their liberal sissy votes from killing more of the GOOD Americans.

Bin Laden hoped he could help turn Americans on themselves.

Good job guys.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
I repeatedly said all I disagree with this being 'terrorism' and was more likely a mass murder, rampage type event by a nut job. More and more likely since he seems to have been deemed psychotic by his colleagues, who did nothing but pass the buck since he was being transferred out of Walter Reed.

Never in any of the above did I think he doesn't deserve to be punished. Period. I just think keeping him alive at Leavenworth is more punishment than the death penalty.

How is terrorism and what you call "mass murder" and the death 13 American soldiers different?A religious muslim fanatic ended the lives of 13 good Americans.That's terror at its best.

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

How is terrorism and what you call "mass murder" and the death 13 American soldiers different?A religious muslim fanatic ended the lives of 13 good Americans.That's terror at its best.

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

[Karl F]

more that come out on this, the more disturbing it is...
as much of an oxymoron that "Military Intelligence" is, this just drives the point home...... Military cannot be successful at it's task, and be PC...

but, this is 2009 not 1941...

and that is one of many reasons why we keep failing our military.

[TheSpecialist]

One of our best friends is a scientist, and she lost 2 of her guys that she works with in the military down there.

You guys are right they should have finished him off.

[buckman]

Brian, No one is saying Muslim's shouldn't be allowed to serve. The Christians, Jews and Atheists aren't terrorist trying to kill all Americans. The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims. That's not a made up stat or my opinion. It's fact.
You are arguing that this was not terrorism or he did not act in a terrorist way. Maybe you could enlighten us then.

The fact they didn't finish him off may allow us to find out what he thought and who else he has been in contact with. Now would be a good time for the PC bunch ( I kind of like that name) to change your torture position

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims.

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

The difference is that you can actually support your position. Where they support theirs with "well he was a Muslim."

Addition: I'm also rather curious on how the PCing of America caused this.

[Fly Rod]

Yes Buckman, his speech was very good and that can not be taken away from him.

He also said a day prior that we should not rush to judgement.

The FBI did not rush to judgement and we see what happened.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

Who said anything about no one being blamed? I have said over and over again someone dropped the ball on this.

From my desk copy of Websters:
Tragedy
1: a medieval narrative poem or tale typically describing the downfall of a great man
2 a : a disastrous event

That's the form of the word I'll stick to. Yes, this is a disastrous effect. Occurring a few days before Veterans day it is a TRAGEDY in my mind.

You guys see terrorism, I see a nut job shooting up his workplace. How many Christian nut jobs have walked into churches and opened fire at their own? I can think of the Knoxville case and a few others. How many non-religious people have walked into a post office or office building and shot it up. Was that terrorism? How about, the timely topic of John Allen Muhammad? Was he a terrorist? He incited fear? No, he was a mass murder and executed as one. JD mentioned the Va Tech shootings. Was he a terrorist? Or just a maladjusted nutjob.

Ultimately, we're arguing about a terrible thing this nut job, who killed 13 innocent people did. What we decide to call it is pretty irrelevant. What I do not want is my son to grow up thinking everyone with a name like Hussein COULD be a TERRORIST just because he is Muslim. There are horrible people in this world of all faiths, creeds and colors. Unfortunately, this has to be the lesson.

Happy Veteran's day to all that served.

[Fly Rod]

According to a Rammussen Report majority of Americans want Ft. Hood investigated as terror attack.

65% want death penalty

[buckman]

I thought the President's speach was very, very good. Perhaps his best ever.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

A lot of Muslims have given their lives for this country.

What were your exact words to me?? That's right, I should "pull my head out of my ass" for grouping people together. Then you some how related my reference to people in the South to servicemen and women.

At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?