Durham’s probe into Russian investigation now a criminal investigation

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is insanity

looking forward to worms like comey, brennan, clapper, strok, mccabe etc... doing some squirming....looking better for General Flynn all the time

Italy’s prime minister authorized two secret meetings between U.S. Attorney General William Barr and members of the intelligence agencies in Rome as part of a U.S. investigation into the scandal involving Donald Trump’s possible ties to Russia, according to one of Italy’s leading newspapers.

Italian right-wing opposition parties have said Conte should not have authorized the secret encounters and have suggested they were connected to Trump's endorsement of him as prime minister during an Italian government crisis in August.

Is this another favor?

Just what is one of the most powerful men in our government able and willing to trade for “information”?

Trump and Colludy and his associates/funders were working on it also.

Where was that money coming from “we’re gonna need a couple hundred thousand”

What a tangled web they weave.

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Obviously neither of us work in the intelligence community, but I make my opinion based on the fact Trump lies daily, it's how he operates. The interviews of some highly respected X CIA, FBI and intelligence personnel unequivocally deny any political bias in the operations of those agencies. So do I believe the habitual lier or highly respected people who worked in those departments; easy call for me anyway. The investigation into the investigation, which was already done and signed off on, should never have started and the only reason it did, is because Barr is the new Trump enforcer.

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

they don't care, they are mired in propaganda

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Obviously neither of us work in the intelligence community, but I make my opinion based on the fact Trump lies daily, it's how he operates. The interviews of some highly respected X CIA, FBI and intelligence personnel unequivocally deny any political bias in the operations of those agencies. So do I believe the habitual lier or highly respected people who worked in those departments; easy call for me anyway. The investigation into the investigation, which was already done and signed off on, should never have started and the only reason it did, is because Barr is the new Trump enforcer.

And regardless of what you think of Trump (I agree he's a liar), please tell me if I'm wrong about any of the following...

Certain high level DOJ officials, like FBI agents Stzrok and Paige, made no secret in their texts that they really wanted Hilary to win, and also played key roles in investigating both Hilary and Trump

The DOJ used the Steele dossier, paid for by the Clinton campaign, as part of the FISA application to spy on an American citizen. They did not tell the FISA judge that the dossier was political opposition research. That American citizen has not been charged, ket alone convicted, of anything.

The DOJ was spying on the Poppodopolous guy, part of the Trump campaign. He has also not been convicted of anything.

Certainly there's no smoking gun there. but isn't it maybe worth investigating, especially in the hands of someone with Durham's resume?

If they didn't do anything wrong, let's say so and drop it. If they did, let's admit it and fix it.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

US attorney Durham, not Trump, declared it's now a criminal matter. Look up his record.

Wasn't suggest he isn't a good guy, I'm saying it never should have started in the first place, Barr is being used by Trump for political gains and he for some strange reason is acting like his enforcer.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right, they're regurgitating Chris Hayes and Rachael Maddow. No facts.

To bad like most of your conspiracys wrong again.. but keep thinking thats what people push back against your conclusions do.. its your easy button

As for predictable responses yes mine are predictable and very consistent .. they are always in response to yours or othrt conspiracy driven suggestions of whats truth and whats not.

You really need to see beyound and thru your victimization of Trump

Because with out doubt if you replaced Obama for Trump or Erich holder for Barr or Clinton for Pompeo

With the facts as they are to day. The trascipts the audio having a private lawer doing governments business

Your tune would be so very diffrent.. why would that be the case? Facts should be facts that is unless your just a partisan hack or just hypocritically . And clearly your both
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

they don't care, they are mired in propaganda

Obviously you are right. Anything that comes from the right, is instantly and reflexively dismissed. It's not possible that Republicans can be victims of liberal wrongdoing, not even remotely possible. Because orange man bad.

And they say Trumps supporters are close minded and thoughtless.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

, I'm saying it never should have started in the first place, .

Based on WHAT? Because you don't like Trump, therefore he can never have a valid reason to request any investigation into anything?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Facts should be facts that is unless your just a partisan hack or just hypocritically . And clearly your both
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I'm the one waiting for facts. You're the one who was 100% ignorant of the details of the investigation, yet somehow already concluded that it was a conspiracy-laden sham.

But you're the one who gets the facts first? And I'm the one who jumps to politically motivated conclusions? Not even you believe that. Tell us some major policy items on which you vehemently disagree with democrats. I'll just wait patiently.

[Pete F.]

Well, the President DID get that urgent email outlining a unique legal theory opportunity from that Nigerian Prince. I think Bill Barr is overseas investigating.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Well, the President DID get that urgent email outlining a unique legal theory opportunity from that Nigerian Prince. I think Bill Barr is overseas investigating.
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You're all scared sh*tless that there's something there, and that Durham is the guy to find it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're all scared sh*tless that there's something there, and that Durham is the guy to find it.

yup....it's pretty clear what was going on...

[Pete F.]

Is William Barr the Head of DOJ or QAnon?
News that John Durham is investigating the Russia probe as a criminal matter is further evidence that the Justice Department is just a tool for Trump now
I warned you William Barr was the most dangerous man in America.
I warned you he would burn Washington to the ground.
I warned you Barr would shatter the Justice Department into a million fragments.
I warned you Barr would run roughshod over the law, mangle the Constitution, shred the separation of powers, and turn the federal government into a weapon to destroy anyone Donald Trump designates as an enemy. From the moment he manipulated and distorted the findings of the Mueller Report to protect Trump, it was clear that Barr is a living, breathing abuse of power.
As opposed to the projected imaginings of Trump’s hated phantoms of the Deep State, Barr really is at the heart of a government conspiracy to destroy any constraints on the power of the executive branch and to eliminate any accountability for the president of the United States.
For the attorney general to personally travel to the U.K. and Italy to investigate Mueller’s Russia probe, and for the president’s minions to be dispatched to Ukraine and elsewhere stalking these Deep State phantoms, was silly enough. That Barr and others came up empty — as one knew they most certainly would — is an embarrassment, but in an administration without shame or boundaries, the solution to failure is to double down.
At Trump’s personal direction, the Barr “Justice” Department has empowered U.S. Attorney John Durham, a prosecutor of a former reputation for seriousness, to run point on an investigation into the origins of the FBI’s own probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. This week, we learned that probe now treats the investigation as a criminal matter. Trump seeks not only to destroy the people who tried to reveal the truth about Russia and 2016, but also to intimidate anyone else who dares to tell the truth about his rampant, ongoing regime of corruption and malfeasance. Barr is his weapon, his tool, his agent of vengeance.
That the MAGA and QAnon crowds see Durham as an avenging angel, a death-dealing wild dog here to maul and devour the Deep State is both laughable and horrifying. Their fantasies of roundups, mass arrests, secret indictments, and one-way tickets to GITMO for anyone connected to the operations to identify and neutralize Russian election interference are a common element of their wishcasting. They’re convinced Durham will open the floodgates and bust open a conspiracy that doesn’t exist.
The idea that the DOJ’s FISA warrants will prove a conspiracy against Trump fails to meet the laugh test. Barr has access to all of this information, and if any of it would clear Trump’s name or damage his targets, Barr would have leaked it or launched the DOJ’s resources on something other than a long-range, multi-year Durham investigatory slog.
They want charges of treason. They want Comey, Strozk, Page, Brennan, Clapper, and others arrested. They want a criminal probe of the Mueller effort, despite their contradictory assertion that the Mueller Report exonerated him.
The Trump folks built a baroque conspiracy in their minds that involves a Deep State with powers well beyond what actually exists.
It’s vital to their narrative that sinister forces have had it in for Trump since the beginning. These Deep Staters are — in the best tradition of all authoritarian propaganda — forces that are both all-powerful and purely malevolent. Whether it’s liberal academia, the mainstream media, Islamists, gays, globalists, or Never Trump Human Scum, the agitprop always casts these forces as having powers beyond human understanding.
As the Trump administration feeds its conspiracy-addled base, Barr’s DOJ dribble out a steady stream of alleged discoveries and hypothetical cases to try to assemble a storyline that runs right back to the ultimate superpowered bad guy in their pantheon: the Kenyan Muslim Socialist Sharia Sleeper Agent, Barack Obama. They’re already pushing the emergent theme of “What did Obama know, and when did he know it” — despite the ludicrous nature of the claim.
There was only one 2016 conspiracy, and that was the one Russia waged to elect Trump.
That it’s all fake doesn’t matter. Clicks and tweets are all that counts in the president’s domain. That’s why Barr’s political commissars at the DOJ will feed the breathless coverage of Durham. That’s why the descriptions of the “conspiracy” will grow more fevered and more exaggerated, and why Fox will fill the airwaves with ever-more operatic claims of a plot against Trump.
But they’re hunting for nothing.
The real government — including the intelligence services — doesn’t work that way. There is no unified secret state, no Intel Community Illuminati secretly pulling strings. The origin story of the investigation into Russia didn’t emerge in a smoke-filled room, but bubbled up from reports of shady Russian connections. There was only one 2016 conspiracy, and that was the one Russia waged to elect Trump.
Even Barr’s DOJ won’t deliver a conspiracy big enough to satisfy the Trump crowd. Did Lisa Page and Peter Strzok send some text messages that weren’t professional? Sure. But that’s hardly going to rise to the level where a show trial drags the alleged bad guys before the bar of Justice.
The final element of this crisis is the increasing legal dissonance. Barr is playing antagonist to the so-called Deep State while ignoring and bypassing the actual crimes being committed by the president, and the president’s minions, staffers, allies, and outside legal counsel. His total disinterest in requiring the White House to follow the law, his selective persecution — yes, I used that word advisedly — of Trump’s enemies and his refusal to uphold his oath is stunning.
Barr is openly coordinating an illegal and dangerous effort in support of the president’s private legal defense and political defense efforts. He is weaponizing the DOJ to target Trump’s political opponents. Barr will investigate the investigators until he either breaks them or intimidates them into submission.
Barr has chosen to be Trump’s enforcer, buffer, and legal gymnast. And for that, he poses a risk not only to the DOJ, but to the Republic itself.


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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're all scared sh*tless that there's something there, and that Durham is the guy to find it.

I have nothing to fear from Durham, though I am concerned that the Barr Sshow will decimate any ability our investigative agencies have to look at internal threats.
That though, not truth or justice is the point of this investigation.
Barr’s history makes that self evident.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I have nothing to fear from Durham,

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I bet you are on his radar...you better watch out

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nope. I said there's evidence, which there is, and that it should be investigated. Even Pete said there's value in investigating that, but you don't call him out.

Whats your evidence?? On either investigations.

Thats right you cant post any.. what a shocker
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm the one waiting for facts. You're the one who was 100% ignorant of the details of the investigation, yet somehow already concluded that it was a conspiracy-laden sham.

But you're the one who gets the facts first? And I'm the one who jumps to politically motivated conclusions? Not even you believe that. Tell us some major policy items on which you vehemently disagree with democrats. I'll just wait patiently.

Glad you dodged the 1st part of my response.. lol
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Whats your evidence?? On either investigations.

Thats right you cant post any.. what a shocker
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So you expect me to post evidence, between the time you type those two sentences?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So you expect me to post evidence, between the time you type those two sentences?

No I expect factual information. Or at least circumstantial evidence When anyone accuses some
Of wrong doing.. So far I have seen neither from the DOJ the white house you or the media.. plenty of speculation however
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[Sea Dangles]

Who loves to speculate as much as the snowflakes?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No I expect factual information. Or at least circumstantial evidence When anyone accuses some
Of wrong doing.. So far I have seen neither from the DOJ the white house you or the media.. plenty of speculation however
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OK, so we have seen texts from senior DOJ officials, making it obvious they wanted Hilary to win. These same people played key roles in investigating Hilary and Trump.

We also know that the DOJ used political campaign fodder, paid for by a rival political campaign, to get a FISA warrant to invade the privacy of an American citizen, and they didn't tell the FISA judge where that dossier came from.

We also know the DOJ used multiple approaches to spy on Poppodopolous, a senior Trump campaign official.

Were you not aware of any of this? Or are you denying that it's fishy when you add it all up?

If no one did anything wrong, the investigation will either show that, or will be a sham. We don't know yet, because nothing has been released.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Who loves to speculate as much as the snowflakes?
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Perhaps weathermen, but at least weathermen are a lot more accurate.

[Pete F.]

We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.

Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.

Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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There you go again with that "believe" stuff.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There you go again with that "believe" stuff.

That’s such a crock, this board is ALL about believe, what you believe and what I believe don’t always match, but 90% or more of all that is posted here is about personal beliefs and point of view.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That’s such a crock, this board is ALL about believe, what you believe and what I believe don’t always match, but 90% or more of all that is posted here is about personal beliefs and point of view.
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If you believe that, it must be so.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.

Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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At this moment, as of right now, what's your evidence that we can't believe US attorney Durham? What's your evidence that he's not trustworthy, as opposed to being an honorable and skilled prosecutor? We're all ears...all you have, is that he might make trouble for Trumps opponents, and that's all you need to know. Case closed.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

At this moment, as of right now, what's your evidence that we can't believe US attorney Durham? What's your evidence that he's not trustworthy, as opposed to being an honorable and skilled prosecutor? We're all ears...all you have, is that he might make trouble for Trumps opponents, and that's all you need to know. Case closed.

You're not getting it Jim. It's all about belief. It's like a Muslim arguing with a Catholic. That discussion will get nowhere, except a fight. You have to understand that we are in the back end of a Post Modern age. There are no absolute truths. You have your truth and Pete has his truth. The concept of a philosophically Western style rational discussion based on reason and some semblance of basic values, or principles is of no use since those things don't exist. When it comes to differences, the only thing that matters is power. Who is the strongest, or can shout the loudest, or get the most followers to believe him, wins the argument.

Sea Dangles (and Got Stripers in his way) has it about right. There is no point to an actual discussion. Just say stuff. It's easier, and more fun.

[Sea Dangles]

Bingo,
Nobody here has an opinion that actually matters. But a lot of folks like to spout off like little teapots...enjoy your predictions.
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[scottw]

COMEY ON TRUMP WINNING IN 2020: I’LL BE AT ‘MY NEW HOME IN NEW ZEALAND’

or perhaps in prison...