Rumors or where there's smoke there's something

[Pete F.]

The dots connect, maybe it's true about Trumps consigliere

New report claims more whistleblowers have come forward to Democrat-led House of Representatives with claims of wrongdoing by Trump officials
Report says one whistleblower is alleging that Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, approved Saudi plans to arrest Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi
According to Spectator, Turkey intercepted call between Kushner and Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and then used it to gain leverage over Trump
Trump agreed to remove American troops from northern Syria after a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
By ARIEL ZILBER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and REUTERS

Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims.

However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern Syria, according to the Spectator.

The report claims that investigators on the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee are aware of these allegations and are planning to dig further into them while pursuing the impeachment inquiry over Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

It also claims that the number of intelligence whistleblowers who are willing to give evidence to the impeachment committee is seven.

[Sea Dangles]

Shocking allegation there.😮

I wonder what will come of this story...
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Shocking allegation there.😮

I wonder what will come of this story...
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It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

Geez . . . you left out a lot of other "possibilities," many favorable to Trump's motives. But, I understand--rumors, possibility, maybe, conjecture, innuendo, could be, perhaps--these figure deeply in how you come to conclusions. But why are these verbal nebulae re you're analyses of Trump always selected from a negative point of view?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Geez . . . you left out a lot of other "possibilities," many favorable to Trump's motives. But, I understand--rumors, possibility, maybe, conjecture, innuendo, could be, perhaps--these figure deeply in how you come to conclusions. But why are these verbal nebulae re you're analyses of Trump always selected from a negative point of view?

There is a term for the exchange of U.S. intelligence or, worse, policy for money: espionage.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There is a term for the exchange of U.S. intelligence or, worse, policy for money: espionage.

OK. Quit being vague. Are you accusing Trump of espionage?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

Well,it seems you have determined that you were right all along. Good work PeteF.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

OK. Quit being vague. Are you accusing Trump of espionage?

I apparently left it out of the negative possibilities.

It's more of a possibility that he did that than his accusations of committing Treason that he has made of many of his opponents, though I assume you will say he was trolling the media, misconstrued, misspoke or out of context.

What other memorandum of telecom are hidden in the code word server?
Just what was discussed in his meeting with Putin?
In the Oval office meeting with Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I apparently left it out of the negative possibilities.

It's more of a possibility that he did that than his accusations of committing Treason that he has made of many of his opponents, though I assume you will say he was trolling the media, misconstrued, misspoke or out of context.

What other memorandum of telecom are hidden in the code word server?
Just what was discussed in his meeting with Putin?
In the Oval office meeting with Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak?

Ah! I see. You're accusing him of a possibility.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Ah! I see. You're accusing him of a possibility.

And those possibilities are why there is an inquiry in the House.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And those possibilities are why there is an inquiry in the House.

And you already know the final verdict.

[wdmso]

TRUMP cant commit treason or espionage or tell the Truth .. in his and his faithfuls Eyes

He has unlimited power and can not be charged with a crime while in office...

He wants the whistleblower exposed .. regardless what the federal says ..

PETE, they only believe conservative generated conspiracy Theories
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

TRUMP cant commit treason or espionage or tell the Truth .. in his and his faithfuls Eyes

He has unlimited power and can not be charged with a crime while in office...

He wants the whistleblower exposed .. regardless what the federal says ..

PETE, they only believe conservative generated conspiracy Theories
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Very convincing. Brilliant stuff.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And you already know the final verdict.

Do I
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Do I
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Your TDS stuff is more like DUI

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Very convincing. Brilliant stuff.

And what point wasn't True
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And what point wasn't True
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None of your points are true.

Those who voted for Trump or "support" him do not believe that he can't commit treason or espionage or tell the truth, as you put it. They don't believe, without solid evidence, that he committed treason or espionage. And they recognize that he has told some lies and some truth, not that everything he says is a lie.

They don't believe he has "unlimited power". Many believe that it is Progressives who think that the central government should have unlimited power to do what it thinks is "good."

I am not sure, but I don't think that federal law gives a blanket immunity for a whistleblower from being identified.

And they're not more prone to "conspiracy theories" than anybody else.

[Pete F.]

If Taylor & Hill & Vindman & Morrison & Sondland & Eisenberg & Pompeo & Perry & Giuliani & Bolton & the still-anonymous whistleblower all knew what Trump was up to regarding Biden & Ukraine, how could Trump's 2nd banana possibly be in the dark?

Whatever Trump did with regard to Ukraine, Mike Pence was mixed up in it, too. We know that Pence read, or at least was given a transcript of, Trump's call with Volodymyr Zelensky. We know he met with the Ukrainian president in Warsaw. And we know that Pence had his own call with Zelensky—a fact that Trump himself offered up unsolicited, seemingly eager to spread around the blame.

"I think you should ask for Vice President Pence's conversation," Trump tattled to reporters, "because he had a couple of conversations also."
The president characterized his Pence-Zelensky calls as "perfect." Congress is not so sure and has formally requested transcripts of those calls.
Despite saying a month ago that he had "no objection" to releasing the transcripts, Pence has yet to do so.

The vice president has assured us of his innocence. "As I said the day after that meeting," he told reporters, "we focused entirely, in my meeting with President Zelensky of Ukraine, on the issues that President Trump has raised as a concern, namely the lack of support from European partners for Ukraine and real issues of corruption in Ukraine."

When asked point-blank whether he was aware of Trump shaking down Zelensky to implicate Joe Biden, the former debate team champion twisted himself into a rhetorical pretzel to avoid a direct answer. "I never discussed the issue of the Bidens with President Zelensky," Pence said.

[wdmso]

Ambassador Acknowledges Linking Ukraine Military Aid To Investigation

. military aid was tied to a public statement of "corruption" from Kiev,

From the newly released Transcripts ...

Cant wait to see the usual suspects excuse this away..

Must be an amazing unheard of coordination of witness and testimony by all these people..

Yet Trump supporters believe so many debunked theories. And now are convinced its a deep state attempt to overthrow the election because they hate Trump.. Maybe they just love American more.

Maybe his supporters need to start doing the Same .love their country more than the man
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[Sea Dangles]

These allegations,like all the others will pass. Get them out of the way and go back to the job at hand. MAGA!
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

These allegations,like all the others will pass. Get them out of the way and go back to the job at hand. MAGA!
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Make Associates Get Attorneys

My Attorney Got Arrested (again?)

Make America Grope Again

Morons Are Governing America

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Make Associates Get Attorneys

My Attorney Got Arrested (again?)

Make America Grope Again

Morons Are Governing America

Trump's version is nicer, gentler, more patriotic, positive, kinder, more inspiring, and all around better than yours. He seems to be a more pleasant and likeable person than you. PaulS might note that there is a lot of hate in you.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump's version is nicer, gentler, more patriotic, positive, kinder, more inspiring, and all around better than yours. He seems to be a more pleasant and likeable person than you. PaulS might note that there is a lot of hate in you.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

So you think that the "new normal" achieved under Obama with its slow growth, dying middle class, stagnating wages, and expanding socialism was great.
And you do not see that as damage. I know . . . I know . . . he inherited all that. Right . . . right.

And things in those areas, except expanding socialism and the "new normal" are improving at a more positive rate under Trump. And you see that as damage that it will take time to fix.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

8 years is like the blink of an eye
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you think that the "new normal" achieved under Obama with its slow growth, dying middle class, stagnating wages, and expanding socialism was great.
And you do not see that as damage. I know . . . I know . . . he inherited all that. Right . . . right.

And things in those areas, except expanding socialism and the "new normal" are improving at a more positive rate under Trump. And you see that as damage that it will take time to fix.

Let's see


GDP
Jun 30, 2019 2.28%
Dec 31, 2018 2.52%
Dec 31, 2017 2.80%
Dec 31, 2016 2.03%
Dec 31, 2015 1.90%
Dec 31, 2014 2.88%
Dec 31, 2013 2.61%
Dec 31, 2012 1.47%
Dec 31, 2011 1.61%
Dec 31, 2010 2.57%
Dec 31, 2009 0.18%
Dec 31, 2008 -2.75%

Median income

Dec 31, 2018 61,937.00
I didn't bother with 2017 since Trump needs a 2 year jump to not look so bad
Dec 31, 2016 59,039.00
Dec 31, 2015 56,515.84
Dec 31, 2014 53,657.47
Dec 31, 2013 51,939.48
Dec 31, 2012 51,016.86
Dec 31, 2011 50,053.97

Wage growth
Trump’s own Council of Economic Advisers contradicts his “decades of flat wages” claim, saying 2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.” (The CEA adjusts for inflation using the Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, or PCE, not the Consumer Price Index that BLS uses.)

Socialism
Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies.

Welcome to your New Normal of Lies and Exaggerations by the Greatest Con man

[Sea Dangles]

When America is winnining, Americans win. It’s too bad there is nobody opposing Trump that has a plan to help the old guard back to relevance.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Let's see


GDP
Jun 30, 2019 2.28%
Dec 31, 2018 2.52%
Dec 31, 2017 2.80%
Dec 31, 2016 2.03%
Dec 31, 2015 1.90%
Dec 31, 2014 2.88%
Dec 31, 2013 2.61%
Dec 31, 2012 1.47%
Dec 31, 2011 1.61%
Dec 31, 2010 2.57%
Dec 31, 2009 0.18%
Dec 31, 2008 -2.75%

Where's the damage that must be fixed? Also keep in mind that growth rate is not the monetary value of the economy. Rate would naturally slow when the size has reached a big enough level. A similar growth rate between a weak and a strong economy does not mean the economies are equal in value. In fact, a similar growth rate between a strong economy and a weak one would indicate an actual greater economic value in growth attained by the stronger economy.

Sales of new homes steadily grew under Trump and are much better than under Obama

Consumer comfort index constantly rose under Trump and is much better than under Obama.

People in employment rose steadily under Trump and are much better than under Obama.

Unemployment steadily declined under Trump and is much better than under Obama.

Size of the Economy is larger and healthier under Trump.


Median income

Dec 31, 2018 61,937.00
I didn't bother with 2017 since Trump needs a 2 year jump to not look so bad
Dec 31, 2016 59,039.00
Dec 31, 2015 56,515.84
Dec 31, 2014 53,657.47
Dec 31, 2013 51,939.48
Dec 31, 2012 51,016.86
Dec 31, 2011 50,053.97

What's the damage that must be fixed?

Wage growth
Trump’s own Council of Economic Advisers contradicts his “decades of flat wages” claim, saying 2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.” (The CEA adjusts for inflation using the Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, or PCE, not the Consumer Price Index that BLS uses.)

What's the damage that needs to be fixed?

Socialism
Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies.

Welcome to your New Normal of Lies and Exaggerations by the Greatest Con man

Tariffs are not a new tax for Americans. They were the main source of Federal income for the new nation. The Founders were also in favor of tariffs on foreign competitors of American business. They were very much in favor of protecting American business from foreign predation. They were absolutely "America First."

They were also very much for free trade so long as it was not destructive of American business or of national security. Tariffs would be applied to equalize imbalances in trade when foreign governments created it with its own tariffs or regulations that made their goods cheaper to make and sell and American goods difficult to sell. Tariffs also made it more possible for the manufacture of necessary weapons, critical for our defense and sovereignty, to be made in America rather than depending on foreign sources, especially when those sources might be inimical to our interests.

And Tariffs are not socialism. And they don't directly pick winners and losers in the American economy. They create the ability to have winners in the American economy. Harley is FREE to move if it cannot compete with other American companies. That is not socialism.

Trump's new "new normal" is much better than Obama's.

[Pete F.]

As long as you claim it it must be true
Long economic expansions are always felt as safer the longer they last.
This one started under Obama and has continued steadily since.
This administration has chosen which businesses had to pay tariffs.
Redistribution of income, choosing who can succeed is socialism.
Tariffs were the only tax the USA had for more than a century.
Trump is more protectionist than Bernie and he threatened to penalize Harley if they offshored their production to offset the retaliatory tariffs.
He’s a conman
🍑🤡
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[Got Stripers]

Damage isn’t tied to the economy, it’s withour allies and the lost trust in how the US values the agreements it enters into. The environment is the big loser in Trump world.
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