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[nightfighter]

Saw this. Just wanted to make sure it is entered into the conversation when there are some who want to call him a great president.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am not going to disagree with most of this. BUT, the party is in shambles..... and it will be tied to Trump until they denounce him and stop running so scared.
As for Jim's comment... about being scared of black people working??? I just don't see any logic in your reasoning to draw such a conclusion.
Ronnie, you are and always have been all in or nothing. Your way or the highway. Suit yourself. But the great majority of America and I believe, S-B, ain't going to bow down to socialism.... But we are pissed off. PO'd about the same corruption you mention in your good-bye post. But I do not see how you connect the dots with Trump showing us all how corrupt things are. Unless, unless you mean his inner circle of advisors, attorneys, and employees who were indicted and or jailed.... You just can't have it both ways. Time to get off the Trump wagon and regroup behind someone who is mentally competent and has demonstrated that they can work with people who they might disagree with, yet still get something done for the greater good.

first i like the way you say things and you can say anything to me i’m a big boy with thick skin.

the gop has half the senate, almost half the house, and for awhile
has had a majority of state legislatures and governorships. we have a much deeper bench than the left. who can they run in 2024 if Biden can’t?

Much of the gop has denounced him as a person. Guys like Dan Crenshaw have said 1,000 times they don’t like his style.

GS said he was frightened at what the gop has become. the gop, under Trump, put all time
records of blacks to work, so i was
making a sarcastic comment.

you think the left won’t bow to socialism? AOC and her ring are a very powerful force within that party. They aren’t running the party. But they aren’t written off as fringe looks either. That party is lurching way to the left, the democrat party is completely unrecognizable as the party that gave us bill clinton ( who i liked) who balanced the budget by cutting taxes and kicking huge numbers of people off welfare, none of whom needed to be on welfare because they all went out and got jobs. They just needed someone to tell them they had to.

“get something done for the greater good”. right before the pandemic, i don’t know how much more Trump
could have done to help the country. i hate the guy, but I, and much of America, liked what he did.

I think if we nominate him again it would be a complete, unmitigated disaster. i don’t believe his ego allows him to see that. i believe, and hope, that the kingmakers within the party see it.

I completely agree it’s 100% time to get off the Trump train. I hope they have the brains to do it. I think if we nominate a mature, kind person who will advocate for the same policies as trump without acting like a 10 year-old bully, they’d be tough to beat in stable times. Covid may make stability elusive.

i don’t think americans like open borders, men competing in physical
contests with women, defunding the police, growing numbers are getting tired of being told that we, and more importantly our children, can’t live normal lives.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am not going to disagree with most of this. BUT, the party is in shambles..... and it will be tied to Trump until they denounce him and stop running so scared.
As for Jim's comment... about being scared of black people working??? I just don't see any logic in your reasoning to draw such a conclusion.
Ronnie, you are and always have been all in or nothing. Your way or the highway. Suit yourself. But the great majority of America and I believe, S-B, ain't going to bow down to socialism.... But we are pissed off. PO'd about the same corruption you mention in your good-bye post. But I do not see how you connect the dots with Trump showing us all how corrupt things are. Unless, unless you mean his inner circle of advisors, attorneys, and employees who were indicted and or jailed.... You just can't have it both ways. Time to get off the Trump wagon and regroup behind someone who is mentally competent and has demonstrated that they can work with people who they might disagree with, yet still get something done for the greater good.

You are the John McCain on this board, but I fear to many like RR are all in regardless of the tangent this party veered off on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You are the John McCain on this board, but I fear to many like RR are all in regardless of the tangent this party veered off on.

what major policies does the gop endorse that McCain would have been against?
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[Got Stripers]

Humor Jim Ross is willing to reach across and discuss, not much of that left in politics

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Humor Jim Ross is willing to reach across and discuss, not much of that left in politics

ok and mccain did that too. no there’s not much of that left. neither side compromises, everything is strict party line.


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[Pete F.]

John McCain chose Barack Obama and George W. Bush -- the two men who kept him from the White House -- to eulogize him and didn't want Trump to attend his funeral.
I’d say he would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger, roaring about gutless Senators and voted as his wife did.
Just what policy is the Republican Party for, other than being the party of None and Trump
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[wdmso]

This is another issue with the GOP we spent trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and they never lifted a finger in protest
Nor did the Democratic’s but now since Biden a Dem wants to spend money in the dear old USA magically the Republicans are against it .. only because owning and blocking the libs get them votes. What happened to MAGA I guess it’s was just a campaign slogan for Republicans only the rest of America need not apply
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is another issue with the GOP we spent trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and they never lifted a finger in protest
Nor did the Democratic’s but now since Biden a Dem wants to spend money in the dear old USA magically the Republicans are against it .. only because owning and blocking the libs get them votes. What happened to MAGA I guess it’s was just a campaign slogan for Republicans only the rest of America need not apply
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3.5 trillion with a lot of
pork, is something the opposition party will always squawk over. not much to see there as spence says every time something paints dems negatively. democrat senator manchin also says he’s opposed to it. the most moderate, democrat, one of the only who ever goes his own way, is opposed to it, or so he says now.

you’re saying if you are pro america, you should never oppose any federal spending? sure sounds like that’s what you’re saying here. o sense. you never stop complaining about trumps tax cuts, but it’s a character flaw to oppose biden’s tax cuts? it’s only ok when you do it?

american citizens who work for tesla, should be delighted at the prospect of having their federal income taxes used to give tax credits to ford?

Can’t they just pass a true infrastructure bill that has nothing but infastructure spending in there? no one opposes that.

are you saying that democrats “lifted a finger” to oppose any if trumps spending? come on. his tax cuts?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is another issue with the GOP we spent trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and they never lifted a finger in protest
Nor did the Democratic’s but now since Biden a Dem wants to spend money in the dear old USA magically the Republicans are against it .. only because owning and blocking the libs get them votes. What happened to MAGA I guess it’s was just a campaign slogan for Republicans only the rest of America need not apply
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here’s an AP article saying democrats opposed trumps defense budget.

so much for them “never lifting a finger.”. yes they gave trump a rubber stamp.

https://apnews.com/article/5fd6f64b3...25d98d4b88bcd1
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no there’s not much of that left. neither side compromises, everything is strict party line.


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Our politicians are on the same bottom rung with divorce lawyers: Win at all costs and destroy the other side while you are at it.... Term limits, please.

Making decisions based on right from wrong, when voting in the US Congress, is clearly not exclusive to either party.... This is at the core of the problem in our current state of affairs. We have serious problems when Nikki Minaj or Kim Kardashian hold more sway in such vital decisions among such a large demographic in America.

I do not believe AOC has nearly the power her media coverage would have/desire you to believe.

Jim, your "pork" comment is spot on. The infrastructure bill should have absolutely nothing attached nor hanging on its coattails.

[Pete F.]

Joe Manchin is a Senator from a state that ranks last in infrastructure, 48th for economy, 47th for healthcare and economic opportunity, 45th for education.
Just who is he representing, his constituents are Americans that would stand to gain the most from what the Democrats propose.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sounds to me like these calls were to assure people Trump might seem unhinged,

What is the point of assuring people people that Trump "might seem" unhinged? That would also assure people that Trump might not seem unhinged.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Joe Manchin is a Senator from a state that ranks last in infrastructure, 48th for economy, 47th for healthcare and economic opportunity, 45th for education.
Just who is he representing, his constituents are Americans that would stand to gain the most from what the Democrats propose.
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Perhaps his constituents don't agree with you. They voted for him. Maybe they think they "stand to gain" other things more.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Perhaps his constituents don't agree with you. They voted for him. Maybe they think they "stand to gain" other things more.

correct. i guess pete should get to decide which states have a senator and which do not.
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[Jim in CT]

and Senator Sinema from AZ also says she won’t back that bill. I guess Pete will tell us why AZ doesn’t count either.

There are 2 of 50 democrat senators who are capable of acting on their own ( not a lot of republicans capable of that either), and both are opposed to the bill. but it’s only the republicans fault.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Perhaps his constituents don't agree with you. They voted for him. Maybe they think they "stand to gain" other things more.

Perhaps he doesn’t represent his constituents well
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps he doesn’t represent his constituents well
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well...it's west virginia...soooo....not nearly as smart or superior in most ways as the new englanders who look down upon them

[Pete F.]

Arizona ranks 39th overall, good luck with that
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

well...it's west virginia...soooo....not nearly as smart or superior in most ways as the new englanders who look down upon them

If you say so
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[Pete F.]

Back to before the train wreck
“The focus on Milley misses a larger point: He was just one of a half-dozen senior military and civilian officials who took similar unusual steps during the final months of Trump’s administration to prevent what they feared might be a catastrophe.”
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps he doesn’t represent his constituents well
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perhaps you can explain why he keeps getting re-elected.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here’s an AP article saying democrats opposed trumps defense budget.

so much for them “never lifting a finger.”. yes they gave trump a rubber stamp.

https://apnews.com/article/5fd6f64b3...25d98d4b88bcd1
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Americans defense budget is out of control and has been for decades it’s welfare from defense contractors and company
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Americans defense budget is out of control and has been for decades it’s welfare from defense contractors and company
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i agree with that 100%. but in your previous post (#38) weren’t you were critical of republicans for opposing biden’s defense budget? you’re kind of all over the place.

Seems like you’re saying every single thing democrats do is righteous and honest, and every single thing everyone else does is bad.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

perhaps you can explain why he keeps getting re-elected.
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White voters without a four-year degree made up 69 percent of voters there in 2020, according to census data, the highest in the country.

And Joe Manchin has a dream that he will be reelected, it's unlikely.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

White voters without a four-year degree made up 69 percent of voters there in 2020, according to census data, the highest in the country.

And Joe Manchin has a dream that he will be reelected, it's unlikely.

it sure seems like you’re saying you have an issue with white people who don’t have a 4 year degree. i thought liberals were tolerant and inclusive?

If you have a 4 year degree, it doesn’t seem to be doing you a while lot of good in terms of civility or honest thinking.

Manchin was elected senator in 2010, 2012, and 2018. He was governor before that. You don’t think he’s going to win in 2024, do you think he’ll lose to a republican, or will he lose in a primary to a more liberal democrat.
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[Pete F.]

Always looking for insults, poor victim, no issues, just the facts.

White voters without a four-year degree made up 69 percent of voters there in 2020, according to census data, the highest in the country is a fact.
They elected TFG.

I think Manchin will lose in the general to a trumplican, so does he.
He's considered running for governor again and he's 74 and will be 77 in the next election cycle.

Something will happen, lots of political games coming

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Always looking for insults, poor victim, no issues, just the facts.

White voters without a four-year degree made up 69 percent of voters there in 2020, according to census data, the highest in the country is a fact.
They elected TFG.

I think Manchin will lose in the general to a trumplican, so does he.
He's considered running for governor again and he's 74 and will be 77 in the next election cycle.

Something will happen, lots of political games coming

“they elected trump.”

and they elected Manchin, who is a pretty liberal democrat.

You’re concerned with Manchins age, but not Biden’s?

People have been saying for ten years that Manchins time
is up. i don’t like him, i’d like to see him lose, but he’s popular there.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“they elected trump.”

and they elected Manchin, who is a pretty liberal democrat.

You’re concerned with Manchins age, but not Biden’s?

I think Joe Manchin is concerned with his age, you'll figure it out when you grow up, 40 is a long time for adolescence

People have been saying for ten years that Manchins time
is up. i don’t like him, i’d like to see him lose, but he’s popular there.
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All right, all the way, no centrist can survive.

If Manchin is a liberal Democrat in your view, because he voted with the Biden agenda items is Bernie then more right wing?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Americans defense budget is out of control and has been for decades it’s welfare from defense contractors and company
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I know right?...just ask weekend-at-biden's brother...