alternative to wall

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Any female of childbearing age can become pregnant, all she has to do is have operable female genitals.
So how do LGBTQ people affect birthrates,

I thought I explained that. Maybe not well enough. But I thought it was clear. If you disagree, that's OK.

are you proposing that they be "converted" so that they can produce children correctly in your mind or that so many females have sex changes or whatever the politically correct terminology is?
Do you think people should be required to marry and have children, or just be required to have children, or just not be allowed to use birth control so they suffer the consequences of their behavior? Just how do you propose that birth rates increase?

I don't and didn't propose that they do. I was responding to your article which was basically about the cost of welfare for illegal and legal immigrants vs "native born." I extrapolated the authors contention (that illegals put less strain on our welfare state than do "native born") to noting that his thesis could support the idea, facetious or serious, that replacing the "native born" population with legal or illegal immigrants would therefor reduce welfare costs.


Why do you see this as a problem:
But the massive number of immigrants they've invited in the past decade have a much higher birth rate which demographers have calculated will make the children of those immigrants the majority population in a couple of generations.

I didn't say it was a problem. First, I showed that your suggestion that the cost of child bearing is the reason why "native born" Americans have fewer kids doesn't square with your strange notion that the lower cost in countries where the cost is much lower is somehow proof that our high costs are the reason for less children. It obviously isn't, by your own comparison, since in the lower cost countries, they have even less children per couple than we do.

Then I suggested a parallel situation there to what may be happening here. Population replacement of those who don't replace their own by those who more than do so. For those who are basically numbers and statistically oriented, that may be perfectly fine. For those who are culturally oriented, that may be suicide. I wasn't slanting in either direction. If I were forced to choose between numbers and culture, I would pick culture. But there is much more to the ultimate choice.

That is why I posed this question below, perhaps I misunderstood your motivation for that statement and my assumption that you were implying that it is what will also happen here. Though I would also say that the analysis I've seen of second generation immigrants is that their behavior closely mirrors that of the larger society they live in, so I wouldn't count on them keeping the same high birthrates as their parents.
Just what scares you about new "native borns", what generation American are you, that entitles you to close the door?

The much more that concerns me is not ethnicity or skin color. I am considered "white," but I don't prefer only "white." I almost have a fetish about things Asian ("yellow"). And have an admiration for a great deal of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean culture. My favorite novel is The Tale of Genji written by Murasaki who was a lady of the Japanese Court in the 11th century. It is reputed to be the first novel ever written. And if I were in grade school now, knowing what I do now, I would learn Korean and master the violin through the rest of my education through college with the intention of eventually going there and joining the Seoul Philharmonic Orchestra. I think it's one of the best, and the fairly large number of classical pianists and violinists and opera singers being produced in Korea are phenomenally talented, among the best. Pop music and singing there is really good as well. And the Korean women dominate the WPGA. And, to me, Eurasian beauties are the sexiest and most beautiful. Even without the Euro mixture, Asian beauties are as well. I could go on and on.

But, in spite of my Asian fascination, what I prefer to preserve is the classical liberalism of Western civilization. And along with that its referred to Judeo Christian notion of individualism and rule of law as embodied by our Constitution. If the immigrants who come here, legally or illegally, were sure to be fervent adherents to our Constitution in its classical liberal sense rather than the Progressive notion of a living, breathing thing that can be changed or disregarded merely by opinion than by amendment, I would love to invite them. And make their acquaintance. I'm sure I would like them more than many of our complacent, centralized government type, politically ignorant dummies who really think socialism is the answer.

[Got Stripers]

e·mer·gen·cy
/əˈmərjənsē/Submit
noun
a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.

I guess the immediate action part depeznds on the political fallout he wants to avoid.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

e·mer·gen·cy
/əˈmərjənsē/Submit
noun
a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.

I guess the immediate action part depeznds on the political fallout he wants to avoid.
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depeznds

I love when people cut and paste definitions then do that

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

depeznds

I love when people cut and paste definitions then do that

Hey I’m old suffing with a nasty cold and working on my iPad without cheaters, but thank god your there to point out what’s important! Also I guess I should point out that unexpected is part of that definition 😬
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Glad you picked a neutral source. I’m kind of surprised you didn’t quote Steve King.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-f...n-reform-fair/
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I don't know anything about FAIR. I picked the first one on the google list. Your "fact check" source is questionable. Using the Southern Poverty Law Center as source is a negative for me. My experience with its analyses showed it to be racist, very biased, and superficial. Cato often shows its bias as well, though not as bad as the SPLC.

And then calling Breitbart, Gatestone Institute, and Judicial Watch "far right," who all have done some excellent work, while using such a leftist and biased organization as Southern Poverty Law Center as a source is idiotic.

A "fact check" by a questionable "checker" doesn't tell me anything. Actually, and solidly refuting the numbers in my link would be the better way.

And why would I quote Steve King?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hey I’m old suffing

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sounds like an emergency

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

sounds like an emergency

I know how much you like to point out spelling errors, I’m happy to help you be all that you can be.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I know how much you like to point out spelling errors, I’m happy to help you be all that you can be.
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not so much the error as the irony...keep the material coming

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Why wouldn't an American citizen be entitled to benefits?

The cost/benefit issue has been studied a million times...

and liars like you can make data say what they want it to say. 10-20 million people, with no education or skills, who don’t speak english. producing millions and
millions and millions of
kids who are american citizens, but on whom we will
spend billions and billions in education, ESL resources, subsidized food, medicine, healthcare, housing.

it’s obvious that it’s a massive financial drain.

soemce, my town will spend 39k a year to educate my 3 kids, for 13 years. that’s 507k, and
my kids get NOTHING extra - no special
help or services whatsoever. it will take
me decades of paying enormous taxes, just to cover the education cost. illegalsmpay less in taxes than i do, and utilize far more services. it’s not anywhere close to a break even proposition. we need kire police and fire departments, we build more schools...it’s absurd.

and i’m talking about welfare. social
m security is not welfare, from where i sit, it’s a ripoff for
many people who are forced to participate. sonstating tjat illegals don’t receive SS, doesn’t make them bargains. Retirees who collect SS paid into it their whole lives.
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[Pete F.]

https://youtu.be/L8zwoh1iotY
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

https://youtu.be/L8zwoh1iotY
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Love the part 201 they (both houses ) gave Trump 1.3 billion for Fencing and other fixed structures as of jan 10 2019 none of those projects are Under construction

[Got Stripers]

Oklahoma, Columbine, Chardon school, Isla Vista, Charlestin church, Las Vegas, Sandy hook, Aurora theater, Austin, Parkland, Santa Fe school, Jacksonville gamer and so many other us born and raised murderers didn’t come from Mexico, yet collectively they represent more of a national emergency when it comes to violent crimes.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Oklahoma, Columbine, Chardon school, Isla Vista, Charlestin church, Las Vegas, Sandy hook, Aurora theater, Austin, Parkland, Santa Fe school, Jacksonville gamer and so many other us born and raised murderers didn’t come from Mexico, yet collectively they represent more of a national emergency.
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Stop making sense

[Sea Dangles]

You guys are missing the context in order to promote your anti-American agenda again. One group of heinous folks actually has a right to be here legally. The other group of murderers is here ILLEGALLY. Don’t confuse nut jobs with criminals. We obviously have enough problems without the ILLEGALS, compounding our burden will not solve the mental health issues in America.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You guys are missing the context in order to promote your anti-American agenda again. One group of heinous folks actually has a right to be here legally. The other group of murderers is here ILLEGALLY. Don’t confuse nut jobs with criminals. We obviously have enough problems without the ILLEGALS, compounding our burden will not solve the mental health issues in America.
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It’s like you are arguing for gun control. Your argument is the equivelant ot “If you make guns illegal, it will stop gun violence”.
Guess what... criminals will still obtain guns and criminals will still cross our borders regardless of gun control or a wall.
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[Nebe]

Better yet... what don’t we just offer thoughts and prayers to solve the border problem?? That’s what everyone who wants the wall says will work to end school shootings.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Better yet... what don’t we just offer thoughts and prayers to solve the border problem?? That’s what everyone who wants the wall says will work to end school shootings.
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does the
mass rape occurring at the border bother you?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You guys are missing the context in order to promote your anti-American agenda again. One group of heinous folks actually has a right to be here legally. The other group of murderers is here ILLEGALLY. Don’t confuse nut jobs with criminals. We obviously have enough problems without the ILLEGALS, compounding our burden will not solve the mental health issues in America.
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love it Anti American agenda... dont confuse nut jobs with criminals
( the right answer to any mass shooting He was a nut job and its a mental health issue not a gun issue )


the walls and the wheel are ancient technology and still work .....

The right never runs out of dumb analogies

The only Anti american agenda is hidden in the Trump MAGA agenda
Nationalism cloaked in Patriotism and the constant promotion of fear of the other ..

and all the other ism's that motivate the base Globalism, communism, socialism

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You guys are missing the context in order to promote your anti-American agenda again. One group of heinous folks actually has a right to be here legally. The other group of murderers is here ILLEGALLY. Don’t confuse nut jobs with criminals. We obviously have enough problems without the ILLEGALS, compounding our burden will not solve the mental health issues in America.
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I’m pretty sure nobody on this board is promoting anti American anything, we are promoting a stop the BS campaign. Gee wizz it sounds like Trump might have had an investigation opened to see if his actions on firing Comey and subsequent actions were anti American. It’s a trwitter storm this morning as the heat in the kitchen is reaching melt down perportions. Now you can of course suggest that our entire DOJ was out to get Trump...........yes that is part of our stop the BS campaign.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Better yet... what don’t we just offer thoughts and prayers to solve the border problem?? That’s what everyone who wants the wall says will work to end school shootings.
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Extra spoonful of stupid today? I want the Wall and have no idea how to pray. Is this really how snowflakes think? I just happen to think a wall would help prevent some illegals from obtaining unlawful entry into this country.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

love it Anti American agenda... dont confuse nut jobs with criminals
( the right answer to any mass shooting He was a nut job and its a mental health issue not a gun issue )


the walls and the wheel are ancient technology and still work .....

The right never runs out of dumb analogies

The only Anti american agenda is hidden in the Trump MAGA agenda
Nationalism cloaked in Patriotism and the constant promotion of fear of the other ..

and all the other ism's that motivate the base Globalism, communism, socialism

Simple things have a way of confusing you Wayne. You want to throw a blanket on things that have zero relevance to your point and give yourself a pat on the back. We are not all created equal unfortunately,and there are some nut jobs that need medical help they are not getting. They are our neighbors and sometimes friends who used to be alright, but something changes....if you judge these folks as your peers that does not surprise me at all. Not even sure what all those isms are.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Extra spoonful of stupid today? I want the Wall and have no idea how to pray. Is this really how snowflakes think? I just happen to think a wall would help prevent some illegals from obtaining unlawful entry into this country.
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Gun control works too. It helps save lives. See how your logic is flawed?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Gun control works too. It helps save lives. See how your logic is flawed?
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Nebe, you’re talking about a guy who constantly has #^&#^&#^&#^& on his mind and loves to say the word snowflake. I mean I’m fine with it but...
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[Nebe]

Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.
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I’ll light a candle.
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[wdmso]

is this simple enough for you Dangles it even has pictures

[Got Stripers]

Witch Hunt🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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[Got Stripers]

DC won’t need snow plows, the Oval Office melt down will take care of it, the twitter storm might be more severe today.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

is this simple enough for you Dangles it even has pictures

They are nice pictures but I still think a wall would help prevent ILLEGAL entry.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Oklahoma, Columbine, Chardon school, Isla Vista, Charlestin church, Las Vegas, Sandy hook, Aurora theater, Austin, Parkland, Santa Fe school, Jacksonville gamer and so many other us born and raised murderers didn’t come from Mexico, yet collectively they represent more of a national emergency when it comes to violent crimes.
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Does anyone disagree with you? Is anyone suggesting that the southern border is the only pressing issue?

I b et we can extend the barriers as Trump is proposing, AND have cops walking a beat in Chicago.

It's not one or the other.

Are you people for real? These are without a doubt, the stupidest, lamest, easiest-to-destroy, most thoughtless arguments I have ever heard on any topic, since i started paying attention to politics.

Extending existing barriers isn't perfect, some people will get through. It won't stop school shootings in New England, it won't stop gang violence in Chicago, it won't cure cancer or end poverty. It won't do any of those things.

Want to know what it will do? Look at what happened in San Diego, and Yuma Arizona, after barriers went up there.

Jim Acosta for Gods sake, spent 10 minutes at the border, and because he didn't see anything, means it's not a crisis? Do you know how stupid that is? It's as stupid as me saying, "I went to Chicago twice for work, I didn't get shot, didn't see anyone get shot, so the stories of violence are made up".

See how stupid that is?